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How about as people we demand that these debates are fact checked, on air, at the same time, each one of these *** clowns makes a claim. Every debate between any two potential, or already poloticians, is filled with both calling each other a liar.

Well.... why dont we just find out as it goes along? Its important enough to know the truth right? Who cares how long it would take. Im also tired of people just dismissing this as politics as usual. You get what you deserve when you think like that. And you are also hurting everyone else.

Im sick and tired of these politicians lying through their teeth every time they speak. And you should be to.
 
Some of the statements that are made are too complicated to call a lie. I'm being serious.
You can twist data, projections, and cause/effect however you please. There's almost always more than one answer.
 
Hack said:
How about as people we demand that these debates are fact checked, on air, at the same time, each one of these *** clowns makes a claim. Every debate between any two potential, or already poloticians, is filled with both calling each other a liar.

Well.... why dont we just find out as it goes along? Its important enough to know the truth right? Who cares how long it would take. Im also tired of people just dismissing this as politics as usual. You get what you deserve when you think like that. And you are also hurting everyone else.

Im sick and tired of these politicians lying through their teeth every time they speak. And you should be to.
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Great idea in theory. Extrememly impractical in practice. That would do away with debates entirely. It would make them way to lengthy and cumbersome.

One a related note:

https://realclearpolitics.com/

Romney has pulled ahead in the national average (+.7), Colorado (+.5), Florida (+.7).

He is strengthining his lead in N.C. (now +3.0) and is narrowing the Obama leads in Ohio ( -.7), Pennsylvania (-6.0), Virginia (-.3), Iowa (-3.2) and Nevada (-3.5).

These are all small leads or deficits and within the margin of error but some of them are the first time Romney has lead such as in Colorado. Romney clearly has the momentum. This has to be a clear warning to Obama that this election is slipping away from him.

The last 10 days have been horrendous for Obama.
 
PKM said:
Some of the statements that are made are too complicated to call a lie. I'm being serious.
You can twist data, projections, and cause/effect however you please. There's almost always more than one answer.
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I know what you are saying. Things like how many jobs were created and blah blah blah, but there are things that are either right or wrong. Either its a fact or not. Such as, did so and so politician vote on this or that bill. I hear that one all the time. One guy will say my opponent voted for the (ex: bailouts), and the other will deny it. Or any other bills they talk about. So there are things that could be fact checked right there. Again, I could care less about how much time it would take, or how boring it would be. This **** important. I think its a joke the way they conduct the debates. No real information is ever discussed.

The **** just boggles the mind to watch two guys call each other a liar back and forth with no one calling anyone out on their ******** right there.

Politicians just prey on the ignorance of the masses.
 
Steve Wynn;

WYNN: I've created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs according to the state of Nevada's measurement. If the number is 250,000, that's exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I'll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I'm a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don't like having a bulls-eye painted on our back.

The president is trying to put himself between me and my employees. By class warfare, by deprecating and calling a group that makes money 'billionaires and millionaires who don't pay their share.' I gave 120% of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can't stand the idea of being demagogued, that is put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn't even understand how the economy works.
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Hack said:
I know what you are saying. Things like how many jobs were created and blah blah blah, but there are things that are either right or wrong. Either its a fact or not. Such as, did so and so politician vote on this or that bill. I hear that one all the time. One guy will say my opponent voted for the (ex: bailouts), and the other will deny it. Or any other bills they talk about. So there are things that could be fact checked right there. Again, I could care less about how much time it would take, or how boring it would be. This **** important. I think its a joke the way they conduct the debates. No real information is ever discussed.

The **** just boggles the mind to watch two guys call each other a liar back and forth with no one calling anyone out on their ******** right there.

Politicians just prey on the ignorance of the masses.
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". . . whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them right." ~Thomas Jefferson
 
Looking at the polls this morning I can see a rare outcome.

Romney is at 191 EC. votes and Obama at 237 EC votes according to CNN>

If Romney wins CO, FL, N.C. (aead now in these states) and NV, VA and IA (Obama is ahead but ROmney is surging hard and all are now within 1%)

AND

Obama wins the other tossups (according to CNN) of N.H., WI and OH...

That places teh EC at 269 all. What happens then?
 
PKM said:
Steve Wynn;
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..if you haven't already read Leon Cooperman's letter to Obama (everyone should)...

There are too many good lines to pick from--everything from charity, paying higher taxes, benefits from strong education system, hard work & luck, considering breaking up too big too fail--but this one stood out to me the most:

Capitalism is not the source of our problems, as an economy or as a society, and capitalists are not the scourge that they are too often made out to be. As a group, we employ many millions of taxpaying people, pay their salaries, provide them with healthcare coverage, start new companies, found new industries, create new products, fill store shelves at Christmas, and keep the wheels of commerce and progress (and indeed of government, by generating the income whose taxation funds it) moving. To frame the debate as one of rich-and-entitled versus poor-and-dispossessed is to both miss the point and further inflame an already incendiary environment. It is also a naked, political pander to some of the basest human emotions - a strategy, as history teaches, that never ends well for anyone but totalitarians and anarchists.
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https://www.thestreet.com/tsc/common/images/pdf/Omega Advisor1.pdf
 
Stoked said:
That places teh EC at 269 all. What happens then?
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I believe that after the first round of voting, the electors can change gtheir vote. If they can't reach an agreement, the House of Representatives chooses the President. This is not unprecedented, it was how John Quincy Adams became President, IIRC.
 
PKM said:
Steve Wynn;
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The president is trying to put himself between me and my employees. By class warfare, by deprecating and calling a group that makes money 'billionaires and millionaires who don't pay their share.' I gave 120% of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can't stand the idea of being demagogued, that is put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn't even understand how the economy works.
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Well, as long as he's not being hyperbolic. Seriously 120%? He's rapidly going broke? More likely, his main income is investments, which dwarfs his slary and bonuses, and he pays a lower rate than I do. Class warfare means he'd be expected to pay as a similar percentage to me.
 
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