The Honesty of Transgender Identity

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So let's talk about what we're talking about.

Are people here objecting to transgender people participating in sports because they think those people are pretending to be transgender so that they can win at sports?

Seems like an exceptionally high price to pay to be a high school sports star in female sports.

Is that what people think is going on? And is this the real fear?

I don’t know if you referring to what I said or not, but I’m not objecting to it. At all. I simply pointed out what I view as the most likely sports it would be “an issue” and why it would be. I don’t think the vast majority of people would pretend to transgender to excel in sports. If that’s the motivation for it, that person has other serious mental issues.
I do think someone living as a male through puberty and then transitioning to female would have inherent physical advantages in sports over people living as female their entire lives.


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Like a specific case? Without doing any research, I couldn't. Like a specific advantage? Are you thinking a teenage male, even one taking estrogen and having transitioned within the last few years, wouldn't be stronger than most teenage females? I have a 15 year old daughter and a 12 year old son. He dominates her in just about everything that requires strength. And she is an athletic girl, having played competitive (club level) soccer for almost a decade. She participates in some track and field events as well. I guarantee you my son could throw a discus or shot putt farther than she can, right now. Imagine him as a 17 year old, who had been living as a male until he was 16 or so. Even if he started taking estrogen, he'd be naturally stronger than probably 99% of 17 year old females who had been living as a female their entire lives.

My daughter actually threw the shot put in high school, and I guarantee you she could have out-thrown any of her brothers at that age. Throwers have different bodies than runners (which I'm guessing your daughter is, based on being in club-level soccer).

Go ahead, do some research on the subject.

 

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As far as does this happen and does it make a difference, I mean you have this: https://www.espn.com/espnw/athletes...ege-basketball-player-enjoying-best-year-life

Her team won the championship based on her 18 rebounds a game. Is it fair?

It's a women's community college league. What' makes you think there aren't former WNBA players who could be just as dominant at the age of 52?

 

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I think people are objecting to it because its hurting women. I dont care what the motives are. Its about continuing to protect women.

Which women are being hurt, that otherwise would not have been?

 

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So are you saying that until we see it become a problem it isn't a problem worth thinking about? Are you arguing there is no physical advantage in strength and size, generally speaking, between biologically male and female athletes? Just trying to understand your position. Do you think that transitioning takes away any natural advantages in terms of strength or size that may exist, or makes them irrelevant?

Size (height) doesn't go away. The process of transitioning often reduces muscle mass, so the strength differential diminishes greatly (I don't know if it disappears altogether or not). I'm not sure about bone mass.

Will we be controlling all sports for size?

 

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Which women are being hurt, that otherwise would not have been?

All the women who have lost to the transgenders who have been winning. I think that is pretty obvious. Did you think this was going to be a gotcha moment?

 

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All the women who have lost to the transgenders who have been winning. I think that is pretty obvious. Did you think this was going to be a gotcha moment?

So by "hurt", you meant "lost"? Why should women be protected from losing?

 

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So by "hurt", you meant "lost"? Why should women be protected from losing?

Exactly. Why have women's sports and men's sports at all. Why not just sports and let the chips fall where they may?

 

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Exactly. Why have women's sports and men's sports at all. Why not just sports and let the chips fall where they may?

For that matter, why have professional sports at all?

Answer, to make money.

 

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So by "hurt", you meant "lost"? Why should women be protected from losing?

Haha. Oh man. Im certain now you just argue to argue.

Why protect women from anything? Why protect minorities from "losing" in life?

You dont think that women use sports to further their success in life the same way men do? You dont think it matters to them?

Im actually pretty surprised you aren't woke on this matter. It's just like I said, when it comes to trans the woke left completely forgets about every other protected class and elevates trans to the top of the victim hierarchy. This is a perfect example of how you become too woke that brains have fallen completely out of your head. This is the glitch in the matrix of wokeness. This is where the computer doesn't compute. This is where the left eats its own and self destructs.

The obvious question here is why do you think its ok to trample over protected classes to save another? I dont think I will get an answer though. This is where you answer my question with another point avoiding question. But I know its because you cant answer the question. Woke leftism is a contradictory philosophical message at its core. Its impossible for you to answer the question. So you won't because you can't.

 

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The ironic thing about this too is that most trans are probably white men transitioning to white females.

It's ok to be a suppressive white male as long as you just say you feel like a women. Then all responsibility is lifted off. #wokelogic

 

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For that matter, why have professional sports at all?

Answer, to make money.

And you want to deny women from making money on sports. Thats goes for all women of color and sexual orientation.

Can't wait for all women's sports to be dominated by white males and the left supporting it.