The horror of drafting in the 6-10 range

[cowhide]

Do you have a point though?

Are you trying to say that the jazz should win as much as possible so that they end up in 7-10 range instead of losing a few winnable games and getting into the 3-6 range?

My point was that saying SA did everything possible and it worked out for them without including that they still needed luck is misleading. SA was just as lucky as they were smart. Besides the fact that none of us ever saw the medical reports on David Robinson so it is just speculation they were holding him out in order to tank.

NO!! that is not what I was saying and I don't really know how you came to that conclusion. I have always been for playing the young guys and see where the chips fall. Regardless of our position (yes you get better odds) there is still no guarantee that we will draft at the position we earn from our record. Nor is there a guarantee that the player we chose will be a star.

 

[green]

If I recall SA got lucky with the coin toss with Boston. So it isn't just about tanking but getting lucky. I hope my mind isn't playing tricks on me but that is how I remember it.

In this draft there are no sure superstars. Teams make decisions and sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't just ask Portland. Wiggins and Parker have the potential but they aren't Lebron.

This is where this draft has fizzled a little. LeBron, Duncan, Shaq were all sure fire stars. Kobe was as well, but teams were afraid of him because he was only 17. He was told over and over again, that he was the greatest player most GM's saw.

 

[green]

I still think the most sure fire thing in this draft is Parker.

 

[fishonjazz]

NO!! that is not what I was saying and I don't really know how you came to that conclusion. I have always been for playing the young guys and see where the chips fall. Regardless of our position (yes you get better odds) there is still no guarantee that we will draft at the position we earn from our record. Nor is there a guarantee that the player we chose will be a star.

I agree with this.
Imo there is no such thing as a certain star.... not lebron, shaq, jordan, or anyone. They could fall down the stairs and break thier neck. They could get thier big payday in the nba and become lazy and unmotivated, etc. too many things could happen.

I just feel that if you are gonna suck anyways then you might as well suck enough to get the best chance at the best player possible

 

[UGLI baby]

I remember this. The crazy thing was, I wrote on this site over and over again, how someone with Oden's size, really wasn't that special. He was very big for college and HS. But, in the NBA, he was average in size. He was over-hyped for some reason.

Congrats on knowing Oden would suffer the worst run of injuries in NBA history?

Would have been very good without all the injuries.

 

[UGLI baby]

The only "lack of work ethic" type thing Oden had was being depressed as **** that he went from someone who was hyped as a future Hall of Famer to someone that was nothing more than a punch line, all because his body was failing him which was something he couldn't control.

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[latin jazz]

I just feel that if you are gonna suck anyways then you might as well suck enough to get the best chance at the best player possible

This. You have to put your franchise in a position to draft o acquire to best player available. There is no guaranteed that you will get a franchise player, you need (as cowhide said) smart management and luck. And even if you get those, no one knows how a player will pan out after a few years.

This seems to be a deep draft and that a few stars will come out of it. Hence, draft as high as possible to give you a better chance at getting one. Even for trade purposes, drafting 4th is much more valuable than 7th.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Greg Oden average size?

Dude was a ****ing mammoth.

We all saw the picture.

 

[latin jazz]

Congrats on knowing Oden would suffer the worst run of injuries in NBA history?

Would have been very good without all the injuries.

Yeah, I remember NOT drafting Oden was a huge risk that few GMs were willing to take. Most GMs would have taken Oden over Durant in a heart beat. He was a big man with huge upside who could protect the rim. The thinking at the time was that you don't pass on a big man like that. A remember few sport writers who were against Oden as a number 1 pick, Bill Simmons being one of them.

Also, if i recall correctly, Oden played with a broken wrist (shooting hand) during college so he learnt how to use both hands. And he did great. GMs and scouts were impressed at the time.

 

[Sean]

The worst thing Utah can do is get stuck in mediocrity limbo - especially in a Western Conference where it could damn them to missing the playoffs even with a respectable record. This team needs a jolt and if it means risking losing a ****-ton of games, so be it. We're not going anywhere anyway.

 

[Nate505]

Teams don't tank to get the 4th or 7th pick. They tank for the opportunity to struck gold and get a top 3 pick, where, according to your own numbers, there is the highest probability of finding a star. We are not finishing in the bottom 3 in the standings so more ping pong balls wouldn't hurt. BTW, we are not tanking as the 76ers are. We are just bad, don't play hard and have a coach named Corbin.

If you think the Jazz are as bad as the 6ers you are out of your ****ing mind.

I get it, I want the Jazz to tank too, but the reality is they just aren't as bad as a few teams out there. Just like everyone can't be the best, everyone can't be the worst either.

 

[fishonjazz]

If you think the Jazz are as bad as the 6ers you are out of your ****ing mind.

I get it, I want the Jazz to tank too, but the reality is they just aren't as bad as a few teams out there. Just like everyone can't be the best, everyone can't be the worst either.

going golden state style and sitting favors, trey, and gordon for gobert, lucas, and rush alot more often sure would help though.