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The Jazz, David Lee, and Golden State

nightmare3983 said:
Barnes is only starting because Kerr thought he needed to start to fill his potential, not because he deserves to start.
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Nah, he starts because he makes sense in the lineup. You don't want to have Iggy, a ball-handler, playing with the 1st unit when they need his skills in the 2nd unit.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
The idea that GS would trade Lee and Barnes for Trey and a draft pick, seems ludicrous to me. Lee is a borderline All-Star who has been injured this year and overtaken by Green who has been playing like an All-Star, so despite his contract, I don't think they would give him and Barnes up for such slim pickings. Barnes is a good player / starter on a championship caliber team. I certainly wouldn't do such a deal if I were GS.
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I as expecting this response a lot more than what I've been given. We give up nothing for two very good NBA players.

I find the overvaluing of draft picks fantastic.

"I have in one hand, a player that can play two positions and shoots 40% from three and a borderline allstar, and I have in hand two, a terrible PG and a bad draft pick."

Seems like an easy decision, yet most here would take the bad PG and crappy pick.

I'll say it again: if GS wants to get their salary down, and they will if they resign Green, the. You take the deal and run.

Barnes > than the 12 pick.
Lee > Burke.

No brainer.

The real question is this:

Why would GS make such a lopsided trade? Right now, if they resign their players and Green gets mad dollars, they will pay 50 million in taxes and own the highest payroll EVER. If they move Lee, they will be able to use their exceptions to sign players.

If they move Lee for Burke, they immediately upgrade their backup PG spot (or so they think, lol). They move Barnes with Lee to give the team taking Lee a reason to do so. BUT, if GS is going to give up someone as good as Barnes, Trey Burke won't cut it. Hence the pick.

It's a great trade for Utah. By bringing on Lee and Barnes, they look like this:

Exum/????/Cotton
Hayward/Burks/Millsap
Barnes/Hood/Ingles
Favors/Booker/Barnes
Gobert/Favors/Lee

Utah has cap room to then fill out the end of the bench. Once they are over the cap they can then go out and use the 5 million exception to get a get PG.

Next summer, 15 million comes off the cap, they can make a decision on Barnes.

What I find funny is that everyone's hesitation for bringing in Barnes is you are worried about his cost. Don't we want him to become a max player? Wouldn't trading a 12 pick and Burke for a max player be EXACTLY what we want?

Wouldn't that be the sign of a GREAT trade for Utah?

But no, we are in love with a 12 pick, where Alec Burks, a bench guy, is more alluring than Barnes, a potential max player.

I stand by my post. If GS needs to move Lee, and they do, use them to better yourself.

Who is a FA that we could sign that is better and has more potential than Barnes?

This deal is a no brainer for Utah.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
The idea that GS would trade Lee and Barnes for Trey and a draft pick, seems ludicrous to me. Lee is a borderline All-Star who has been injured this year and overtaken by Green who has been playing like an All-Star, so despite his contract, I don't think they would give him and Barnes up for such slim pickings. Barnes is a good player / starter on a championship caliber team. I certainly wouldn't do such a deal if I were GS.
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I as expecting this response a lot more than what I've been given. We give up nothing for two very good NBA players.

I find the overvaluing of draft picks fantastic.

"I have in one hand, a player that can play two positions and shoots 40% from three and a borderline allstar, and I have in hand two, a terrible PG and a bad draft pick."

Seems like an easy decision, yet most here would take the bad PG and crappy pick.

I'll say it again: if GS wants to get their salary down, and they will if they resign Green, then you take the deal and run.

Barnes > than the 12 pick.
Lee > Burke.

No brainer.

The real question is this:

Why would GS make such a lopsided trade? Right now, if they resign their players and Green gets max dollars, they will pay 50 million in taxes and own the highest payroll EVER. If they move Lee, they will be able to use their exceptions to sign players.

If they move Lee for Burke, they immediately upgrade their backup PG spot (or so they think, lol). They move Barnes with Lee to give the team taking Lee a reason to do so. BUT, if GS is going to give up someone as good as Barnes, Trey Burke won't cut it. Hence the pick.

It's a great trade for Utah. By bringing on Lee and Barnes, they look like this:

Exum/????/Cotton
Hayward/Burks/Millsap
Barnes/Hood/Ingles
Favors/Booker/Barnes
Gobert/Favors/Lee

Utah has cap room to then fill out the end of the bench. Once they are over the cap they can then go out and use the 5 million exception to get a get PG.

Next summer, 15 million comes off the cap, they can make a decision on Barnes.

What I find funny is that everyone's hesitation for bringing in Barnes is you are worried about his cost. Don't we want him to become a max player? Wouldn't trading a 12 pick and Burke for a max player be EXACTLY what we want?

Wouldn't that be the sign of a GREAT trade for Utah?

But no, we are in love with a 12 pick, where Alec Burks, a bench guy, is more alluring than Barnes, a potential max player.

I stand by my post. If GS needs to move Lee, and they do, use them to better yourself.

Who is a FA that we could sign that is better and has more potential than Barnes?

This deal is a no brainer for Utah.
 
Also, I keep hearing cap room as a reason to not do the trade. Who can we sign with our 11 million in cap room that is as good as Lee AND Barnes?
 
Stifle Tower said:
Giving up THREE significant assets in the #12 pick, Burke AND our cap space in order to shore up our deepest position with Barnes and get a 1yr rental in Lee? Seriously is Harrison an all-star worth all that? Hood can be every bit the shooter. If we want to spend money on another wing why not just get Danny Green? Look at his regular season shooting percentage. AND we'd still have the #12 to get a young big, Burke to be a backup or future piece.

Btw, if you've used up all our cap space by taking on Lee how do you sign a veteran PG? Maybe JL III would be available for the vet minimum ��
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Exactly right.
 
green said:
I find the overvaluing of draft picks fantastic.

"I have in one hand, a player that can play two positions and shoots 40% from three and a borderline allstar, and I have in hand two, a terrible PG and a bad draft pick."
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Who you got in the one hand? Because it sure as hell isn't Harrison Barnes. He is only a borderline allstar when his mommy tells him he is.

I find your overvaluing of Harrison Barnes fantastic.
 
green said:
lol. This is classic. So you'd keep a #12 pick over Barnes? You do realize that when you draft at #12, you are hoping that your pick is half the player Barnes is. But, you value that pick more?

Ever heard of the phrase, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"?

Barnes would be our best three point shooter. He can be our stretch 4. He can start at SF, push Hayward to the SG spot. He works great in this offense. Barnes is everything we hope Hood can become. He would be our wet dream if we picked him at 12.

Yet you value the pick over a known quantity?

Uhhhh. Ok.

I bet you were against trading Kanter for Harden as well. lol. That turned out well.
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My hell! Hack! This is ur worst alt ever!! Come clean!!!! Now!! GS needs to give us a pick to take David Lee!! How good do u think Barns is?! Are u really this stupid. I've said it many times!! If we add another wing, he better be a star!! We are wasting a roster spot considering we have three guys as good or better then Barns, and on top of that we have to take Lee who has a bad contract and on the decline who's defense rivals Boozer, and give them a lottery pick. Are u ****ing insane!!!!

Hack please delete ur account and while ur at it ur Hack account!
 
green said:
There was a rumor that David Lee would be coming to Utah. Many of us wondered why would Utah take on his contract. I wondered out loud if Barnes would be a part of that deal.

Well, I read this tonight from Zach Lowe:

"But their cap sheet is structured so that every time someone is due a raise, another big deal comes off the books. The Dubs can max out Green this summer, re-sign Stephen Curry to a $30 million mega-max deal in two years, and — if they play their cards right — still have enough money to nab a big free agent at some point during that process. It may cost them Harrison Barnes, but that’s a trade-off the Warriors will make if they have to."

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/winners-and-losers-in-the-nba-playoffs/

Boom. There you go. If GS wants to clear cap room, this is a way to do sign Green, and clear room right now:

Utah trades Burke and their pick to GS for David Lee and Harrison Barnes. Why does GS do this? Two reasons:

1 - They are going to lose Barnes this year or next year. They can't keep him. He will be too expensive, and Lowe illustrates this above.

2 - This move can get them down to 60 million, 7 million under the cap. They can then add some vets to help them win another title. Plus they add a draft pick. Plus Livingston has been terrible for them. Burke may be an upgrade for GS.

Why does Utah do this? They do take on Lee for a year, but they clear 15 million the summer of 2016. They get a year or two trial run on Barnes, who is a valuable player. Better than anyone they can get on the market. This also doesn't affect Exum's development. Utah would still need another vet PG, but would have added a big and a potential very, very good player.

After this trade, GS would have a lottery pick and a cap number of 60 million.

I'd do this if I were Utah. Look at this team:

Exum/vet PG/Cotton
Hayward/Burks
Barnes/Hood
Favors/Booker/Lee
Gobert/Favors

That team makes the playoffs. I really, really like that team.
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I really liked this part
 
Lee is a borderline all-star? Lmao. Do some of you even watch basketball? He plays no defense! Barnes can't create a shot for himself, plays average defense and is an alright defender. He's still living off of his HS hype. He's nothing special, and he's going to want a big contract. This is a horrible trade.
 
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