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Et tu Brute said:
Dante is as quick as you get. His first step perhaps unmatched.
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Don't know what you Exum homers are smoking. Is he as quick as Westbrook? Wall? Rose before injuries? Kemba? LaVine? - not even close in my opinion. As combine sprint results show Mitchell beat him in 3/4 court sprint by 0.18 seconds. That is elite.
You guys need to really take you rose colored glasses off and accept reality.
 
here is some rankings of fastest players in NBA

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-25-fastest-players-in-the-nba/7/

http://sokkaa.com/2017/05/23/top-8-fastest-players-in-the-nba-2016-17-season/3/


Now this is the game and I usually do not care much about it... but still they must watch the games!!!

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-2k-ratings-top-15-fastest-players-in-nba-2k16

Exum not in any of these rankings. I can't just wait for small market conspiracy theorists and fan boys to cry about it - "oh its UTAH, had he played on Lakers he would be ranked as faster then Westbrook"
 
We don't need to put Dante down to prop up DM, because Dante has exceptional speed and fluidity. So, not a put-down, but DM is really in another league. He's the tasmanian devil out there. Very similar to Westbrook without the one-footed hops.
 
...And because Mitchell plays with such speed and explosiveness he becomes immune to falling into desperate funks when things aren't going well. He's a good passer, excellent defender and loves to challenge others. And he has good shooting mechanics with a lightning release, etc., so I bet his shooting comes around. But if his shot's not falling he'll continue to be a wrecking ball. He won't be held down unless Quin holds him down. And Quin knows this isn't a Burks or Exum mentality he's dealing with.
 
Until Dante learns what to do with his first step, he's going to continue to not be very good.
 
MVP said:
here is some rankings of fastest players in NBA

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-25-fastest-players-in-the-nba/7/

http://sokkaa.com/2017/05/23/top-8-fastest-players-in-the-nba-2016-17-season/3/


Now this is the game and I usually do not care much about it... but still they must watch the games!!!

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-2k-ratings-top-15-fastest-players-in-nba-2k16

Exum not in any of these rankings. I can't just wait for small market conspiracy theorists and fan boys to cry about it - "oh its UTAH, had he played on Lakers he would be ranked as faster then Westbrook"
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This is dumb. You really want to start posting combine numbers? Westbrook actually had pretty average combine numbers, Doug McDermott had the same max vertical as Westbrook. 36.5"
What they can do at the combine and with the basketball in their hands is two different things entirely. Exum is just as fast with Mitchell dribbling the basketball and has better handles. Mitchell is averaging a whopping 3.6 Turnovers per36 minutes, that's horrendous. Exum was at 2.3 turnovers per36 his rookie year, very good for a 19 year old PG.

I am not even an Exum fan, but blind homerism acting like Mitchell is a better prospect annoys me.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Until Dante learns what to do with his first step, he's going to continue to not be very good.
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Obviously. Which is what he looked like he was getting to in pre season.

And go ahead MVDouchebag. Dislike. Neg. Your petty anti anything half positive about Exum seems a little pathological.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Right, because:
1) You were the only person that knew Kawhi would be THAT good.
2) Kawhi going to the situation he ended up in had nothing to do with his development.

Give me a ****ing break.
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Look, there are a ton of people paid to project player development. And they are so often wrong. Then there are a ton of guys like you and me who have opinions. We can also be wrong.

In my opinion, Kawhi Leonard was the best player in the late lottery that year. I wouldn't have taken him at Kanter's spot, but we should have at Burks' without any doubt.

Here is why I liked Kawhi:

1. Length
2. Athleticism
3. In Utah, we havent had much length and athleticism. We don't get many "freak athletes". This is why I always want to target guys like Kawhi and Giannis because we are a franchise that needs to take big risks on potential big talents. Burks represented undersized and tweener. Kawhi represented mismatch opportunities for us.
4. Huge hands. I thought rebounder right away.
5. His upbringing - he was more mature and had additional incentive and focus because of a tougher upbringing. He had to earn his way. He was going to work.

Now I realize Pop has been massive for him. In my opinion, Pop made him a superstar, but he was going to be a really good NBA player anyway.

But this is in the past. I'm so glad we got Mitchell. Look forward to seeing Exum and Mitchell together in the coming years.

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DownUnder said:
Your petty anti anything half positive about Exum seems a little pathological.
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Truth hurts, I get it. Too bad you guys can't evaluate players objectively. Makes you look really desperate especially arguing with numbers/facts.
 
MVP said:
Truth hurts, I get it. Too bad you guys can't evaluate players objectively. Makes you look really desperate especially arguing with numbers/facts.
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Lol, there is no objective way to evaluate players. If there were teams would get it right.

Combine numbers are meh at determining on court athleticism. Athleticism also greatly changes in your 20s. It also is based on how well trained you are to do the tests. You keep using a 3/4 Sprint test to determine quickness yet that is not what the test determines. Quickness is the first step or two, not the court. That is also out of a proper Sprint stance that never gets used in a game.

There are way more factors than some silly combine numbers from a kid just out of high school like Exum.

Great news is it's not an either or scenario for the Jazz. Both of them have great futures. We could dig into stats from the second half of the season when Exum started getting healthy. Those are pretty good for him in his limited chances. We could look at summer league to see how he progressed.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Lol, there is no objective way to evaluate players. If there were teams would get it right.

Combine numbers are meh at determining on court athleticism. Athleticism also greatly changes in your 20s. It also is based on how well trained you are to do the tests. You keep using a 3/4 Sprint test to determine quickness yet that is not what the test determines. Quickness is the first step or two, not the court. That is also out of a proper Sprint stance that never gets used in a game.

There are way more factors than some silly combine numbers from a kid just out of high school like Exum.
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Ron, I like you and your arguments are very scientific and obviously you have experience in athletic training and so on. Simple message I am trying to pass here is that some Exum fans are being very subjective and unrealistic when it comes to Exum's skills and abilities. Would they keep saying nonsense about "player X has unmatched first step" or " probably fastest in the league" or "more athletic then Mitchell" if that player would play for Lakers when his combine numbers would say otherwise? No. That is pure overrating of one our our players without looking at it objectively.
No fans or basketball junkies of other 29 teams in NBA would put Exum at the same throne like some oh his fan boys do here. I get it. I have done it before when I was younger and thought that AK is the best defensive player in the league and that he will become multiple ALL-star or lead Jazz to title. With age you start listening more to the brain then to the heart if you know what I mean. I hope Dante will turn into decent player and will help us down the road, I sincerely do. I just can't support biased fanatism towards him.
 
Ron Mexico said:
We could look at summer league to see how he progressed.
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Ron, seriously? Combine is silly numbers but summer league means something? DeShawn Stevenson once averaged 29 pts or close in summer league. A. Bennet had great summer league and people said he is going to prove his worth as NR. 1 pick after it - where is he now?. Just please stop with summer league joke.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think we're gonna look back at that Lyles over Booker pick as one of the major missteps....



I know hindsight is 20/20, but damn... 1 guys is a future All Star, another could be out of the league in 1-2 years.
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Just curious. The fact that we got DM for Lyles, and considering the fact that we probably wouldn't have traded up for Mitchell with Booker, would u still consider it as a misstep, or consider it lucky because drafting Lyles ended up turning into Mitchell?

I for one am glad it turned out the way it did. Booker can score, but I think Mitchell will as well, and be a great defender. IMO DM>Booker.
 
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