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The Lauri Thread

Lauri is playing like he wants Flagg on the team.

In all serious. The back stuff scares me after Favors. It almost all feels too similar.

I'm happy for the current state of the tank, but concerned that this could be a long term thing.
I think the worry is legit and the biggest drop in his offensive game has been at how he finishes around the rim. He used to posterize guys quite often and have a lot of crafty finishes when fouled for and-1s... but this season it seems both of those are largely missing. His FG% around the rim is at 57.8% which is the lowest mark of his career and about 15% worse than what he averaged in the past 2 seasons.

Worst case scenario is that this is toll from him being #1 here and opponents playing him very physical. Best case scenario is probably that he is purposefully playing less reckless around the rim due to the nature of this season and the fact that there is no need to sacrifice your body at this point.
 
Best case scenario is probably that he is purposefully playing less reckless around the rim due to the nature of this season and the fact that there is no need to sacrifice your body at this point.
Umm, we're talking about a guy who insisted on playing injured for a team that was desperately trying to lose to improve its draft positioning over the final stretch of a season.

Yeah... I don't think so.

In fact, you could almost say that Lauri is known for playing hard and destroying his body even when it doesn't necessarily make much sense. Employee of the Month syndrome. I'm pretty sure he has the most miles on his legs out of all true NBA 7 footers who've played as long as him.

I don't need Lauri to play reckless around the rim or posterize people, but he's just not moving at all like a guy who has a healthy lower back. He's very stiff, upright, robotic and groundbound – and that's how you play when you're trying to protect your back and avoid unpredictable movements. It's not necessarily an injury per se, but nagging long-term wear and tear that's bothering him more and more.

IMO he's carrying too much weight too.
 
I don't really understand why he or the team focused so much on him putting on weight last offseason.

Did anyone really think that was a problem with Lauri's first two years in Utah...?

Even ignoring that weight can have negative impacts, his passing and ball handling were clearly bigger issues to focus on.

We're in an unfortunate situation where Lauri probably needs to be traded but can't be traded next offseason due to his struggles this season and his declined trade value making it impossible for Ainge to realistically trade him without getting a ton of heat from Ryan Smith.
 
Lauri is playing like he wants Flagg on the team.

In all serious. The back stuff scares me after Favors. It almost all feels too similar.

I'm happy for the current state of the tank, but concerned that this could be a long term thing.
I'm no doctor but I am just not terribly concerned by his performance. He is a guy who gets a lot of assisted baskets and we have so little in the way of setup men. He's had some moments of progress. I see the lift being a little less. If he bulked up he can slim down and take some of that weight off.

I just think he legit should take like 3-4 weeks off. I wouldn't travel either. Travel is a lot of sitting and not sleeping in your own bed. Really make sure the back is fully right. This isn't even a tank thing but why push him (or more likely why let him push himself) if he isn't fully right.
 
- His numbers are down this year, are we worried? He doesn't seem to be moving as well this year.

I'm personally not too worried about his performance. The biggest difference is that he cannot finish at the rim this year. That could be related to the back injury, but he was also finishing terribly before the injury. It's so much of an outlier I don't believe it to be true. One unfortunate takeaway, however, is that any hopes of him taking another leap don't seem great. He's the player he was before, which is still very good.

With Lauri we always need to think about his perception around the league. I think he has built enough of a reputation over the previous two seasons that one bad year won't shake it...but this still has some effect on the trade value. As he signed the contract, I got some grief saying that there is a non-zero chance it becomes a regrettable one. While I still think that contract is in good standing, it's probably not as good as it was before. Just making up numbers, but if we thought Lauri was worth 5 picks, he could be worth like 4 now. The longer this struggle continues the more we should worry about him losing value and that contract possibly turning into a negative. Many of the "bad" contracts were seen as good contracts when they were signed.


- How long is he willing to play for a non playoff team?

Only Lauri can answer this, but he seems happy. I know he was unhappy when the FO lied to him about tanking but that doesn't seem to an issue as tanking was more transparent this time.

- How soon are we able to build a playoff team that can eventually compete for a title with Lauri?

If things go extremely well, I see three jumps necessary to get to contention. One to get to play in level, one to get to where you're a consistent playoff team, one to make the leap to contender status. Progress is obviously not linear....but doing so in 3 years would be an extremely good scenario. Each jump gets more difficult than the previous one.

- Does Lauri fit in with our timeline/how has our timeline shifted with the Hendricks injury and Cody being so far behind?

I think Lauri has a ton of years of good basketball left....but the likelihood that we a contender while he's on his current deal and/or still in his prime are low and dropping by the day. The fact that Kessler is the only sure thing amongst young players has slowed us down quite a bit.

- What is Lauri's trade value? How does that change in the off season?

I still think the Bridges trade value is still a good reference point. On one hand, I think his value should have increased now that he's locked in, but on the other hand his play has dropped. I'm just going to call that a wash and say that we should expect similar level of offers as last summer.

- How does the 2026 draft impact the decision to trade Lauri?

If we are very confident in our draft pick I think it becomes more reasonable to do some sort of quick rebuild/chase the playoffs. I think this could be DA's preferred route as he has tried and failed in the past, but probably not practical.

- How does our pick owed to OKC with top 8 protection impact our decision to trade Lauri?

If the stars aren't aligning, we are going to tank next year. I think that is true with or without the protected pick, but it makes tanking even more likely.

Bottom Line: Should we look to trade Lauri this coming off season?

It's not a "we have to trade him", but yes.
 
I'm no doctor but I am just not terribly concerned by his performance. He is a guy who gets a lot of assisted baskets and we have so little in the way of setup men. He's had some moments of progress. I see the lift being a little less. If he bulked up he can slim down and take some of that weight off.

I just think he legit should take like 3-4 weeks off. I wouldn't travel either. Travel is a lot of sitting and not sleeping in your own bed. Really make sure the back is fully right. This isn't even a tank thing but why push him (or more likely why let him push himself) if he isn't fully right.
Yeah, I have no idea. I just hear that with back stuff sometimes it never goes away, like he could rest and it feels better, but will flair up again at some point no matter what.

Like I said, I have Favors on the mind. My memory is that he just slept on a bad mattress and then a few years later we owe a pick to OKC to get off his contract.
 
Yeah, I have no idea. I just hear that with back stuff sometimes it never goes away, like he could rest and it feels better, but will flair up again at some point no matter what.

Like I said, I have Favors on the mind. My memory is that he just slept on a bad mattress and then a few years later we owe a pick to OKC to get off his contract.
Yeah I get that. Its a scary area to have issues with. I've had some issues with back spasms off and on. I am sure there are some things he can do to help remedy/prevent the issues. If there is something in there with the disc or some other damage I'd be pretty concerned as those seem like managed conditions.
 
The major question mark that will inform how this goes is how much rope Ryan Smith allows Ainge and Will Hardy to have if we don't get a top two pick.

His ownership has been a catastrophe that saw him blow up a #1 seed to trade away two Hall of Famers in their 20s with long term contracts for three years of intentional losing with so far zero high level prospects in return.

At some point Ainge has to find a star in the draft or I can't see how he survives this. Will Hardy has to eventually get his team to play hard or I don't see how he survives this.

If we end up getting like the 4th pick and Lauri has no trade value next offseason, I could see Ainge panic trading the pick to try to be a play-in team.

Ainge passed the point of Lauri's peak value (deadline 2024) with the idea that he could put stars around Lauri and it... It's getting much harder to see how that happens or how he survives if he keeps being wrong.
 
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The major question mark that will inform how this goes is how much rope Ryan Smith allows Ainge and Will Hardy to have if we don't get a top two pick.

His ownership has been a catastrophe that saw him blow up a #1 seed to trade away two Hall of Famers in their 20s with long term contracts for three years of intentional losing with so far zero high level prospects in return.

At some point Ainge has to find a star in the draft or I can't see how he survives this. Will Hardy has to eventually get his team to play hard or I don't see how he survives this.

If we end up getting like the 4th pick and Lauri has no trade value next offseason, I could see Ainge panic trading the pick to try to be a play-in team.

Ainge passed the point of Lauri's peak value (deadline 2024) with the idea that he could put stars around Lauri and it... It's getting much harder to see how that happens or how he survives if he keeps being wrong.

I get the impression that Ryan Smith trusts Ainge explicitly. It feels more likely that Ainge decides to give up on the team than Ryan gives up on Ainge. At least that's the impression that I have.
 
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