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The Lauri Thread

KqWIN said:
Obviously fan opinion =\= real trade value, but already seeing other fans call the non-trade + massive extension a major mistake. I’m still hopeful Lauri’s value can persist through one bad season, but I was scared about this before the year. You give a max to a player who is realistically a borderline all star and put him in a terrible position to succeed. The standard for what a max player is rising.

This may be a situation where DA’s greed/failures have caught up to us. He totally failed at building around Lauri the past two summers (maybe it was a good thing he failed his plans) but may also try to hold onto Lauri until it’s a complete fleecing. Reality is that from the outside looking in it makes no sense for Lauri to be on this team.
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Amen
 
His trade value is plummeting really strongly. He has taken every month more three pointers, and his percents have gone every month worse. Inside, he's far away from good right now. His confidence and/or motivation is bad, and his revamped 3pt shot is more unreliable it has ever been. He has a massive summer ahead. Time to go work with his game. Be the future with the Jazz or not, he at least has to fix that 3pt shot. He's made it so fast now that it's become ugly and super inconsistent.
 
Step-Back Lauri said:
His trade value is plummeting really strongly. He has taken every month more three pointers, and his percents have gone every month worse. Inside, he's far away from good right now. His confidence and/or motivation is bad, and his revamped 3pt shot is more unreliable it has ever been. He has a massive summer ahead. Time to go work with his game. Be the future with the Jazz or not, he at least has to fix that 3pt shot. He's made it so fast now that it's become ugly and super inconsistent.
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It takes more than a bad stretch of shooting to tank value, but I would agree that when you get a max contract, teams will be more picky. So smaller things have bigger chances of reducing value when that much cap space is at stake.
 
The version of Lauri we got in his first two seasons in Utah was one of the most unique players in the league. The way he combined (a) extreme gravity on the perimeter with (b) extreme rim pressure if a defender overplayed his hand on the perimeter was awesome to watch. For Lauri's sake, and for the love of the game, I want that version back—and I honestly care more about getting that back than I care about whether he's playing for Utah. (But I obvi hope Utah gets a good haul for him if he's traded).
 
I'm worried about Lauri too, but I do want to reserve judgement--if possible--until: (1) he plays in a season where he knows the team is dedicated to winning, and (2) he plays with anyone else who draws more gameplan attention from the other team.

But the way the NBA works, we might have to make a move before we can even see him under those conditions.
 
Strutter said:
I'm worried about Lauri too, but I do want to reserve judgement--if possible--until: (1) he plays in a season where he knows the team is dedicated to winning, and (2) he plays with anyone else who draws more gameplan attention from the other team.

But the way the NBA works, we might have to make a move before we can even see him under those conditions.
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One of the reasons why I was concerned with Lauri….we’re putting him in the worst position to succeed. Like you said, we don’t get to trade theoretical Lauri who is in a good situation. Whether he’s truly dropped in level or not, we haven’t don’t him favors and his value has dropped.
 
I’ll be willing to say it. If the Shams trade that was reported was actually available, I think it was a mistake to keep Lauri. If we wanted to trade Lauri, I doubt we will get that amount this summer. We can always choose to build with Lauri, but the other moves this team has made and the current status of our young players has made that option less appealing to me.
 
KqWIN said:
I’ll be willing to say it. If the Shams trade that was reported was actually available, I think it was a mistake to keep Lauri. If we wanted to trade Lauri, I doubt we will get that amount this summer. We can always choose to build with Lauri, but the other moves this team has made and the current status of our young players has made that option less appealing to me.
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Indeed.

This team is AT LEAST two years away from being two years away without some shocking trade for an established star, and I'm not holding my breath waiting for such an acquisition to materialize.

Lauri was/is a massive investment, and the way things are going, the most likely scenario is that his value and prime are wasted. As I said in another thread, not cashing in on him back when his market value was sky high (and the tanking roadmap already established) was a serious tactical mistake by the Jazz. I still don't understand what they were thinking.

With the amount of assets Ainge would've gotten for Lauri at, say, the 22/23 trade DL, the decision not to act probably stretched the tank by a few years.
 
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