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carolinajazz wrote:

"So there you have it! Not only is it "offensive" to many....it's down right dangerous"

There we have it? Muhahaha.....

You mean there YOU have it. In your own mind, after years of yoga practice, no doubt. The voice of unbiased experience. Must be nice to have all the answers. Have you ever piloted a jumbo jet liner? No? Well, that makes you just the right guy to tell us what it's like....
 
carolina, I can disagree without being testy about it. I apologize for what has amounted to attack mode at times. I think I can do a better job in trying to achieve a certain context.

Both East and West practice meditation. We often forget that there is a rich tradition of Christian contemplative life and literature. In both East and West, people separate themselves from their greater society to lead contemplative lives. Utilizing spiritual practices to grow closer to what we call God. If you're an atheist, it might be seen as a fool's mission. Might as well be Don Quixote as seek that which doesn't exist. But, men and women of the Christian tradition are compelled into that life. Obviously, it's for the few. Few can do that.

But my point is, yes, yoga is used in spiritual practice. By sincere people being human. Seeking something larger then themselves. No need, no justification, in seeing that as bad. Both greater traditions practice meditation within their monastic schools. People speak of the "perennial wisdom", a commonality of understanding and practice underlying all the major religions. Who knows why some people seek that life? A fool's errand, the culmination of lifetimes of seeking if one believed such a thing, whatever. The point is both East and West utilize spiritual practices in service to their quest. Union with God? Read St. Theresa, or St. John of the Cross. For that matter, read the words of Sufi mystics. Love infuses all their words. St. John of the Cross is noted for coining the term, "the dark night of the soul", denoting a stage on the spiritual path. I think in any given lifetime, a relative very tiny % of humanity engages on such a journey.

Yoga is not dangerous. It has many layers. Of course it can be used strictly within a physical therapy context. One can even buy into the notion of prana, the life force, without becoming a Hindu or a Buddhist. Yoga poses are utilized during meditation. Meditation is not antithetical to Christianity. At all. Quite the contrary. The inner tradition of the faith has meditation and contemplation as the essential practices on the Christian spiritual path. Yoga has been a tool for optimizing the very same states within the Eastern tradition. You can't reduce it to sorcery. You can't demonize it. There really is no need of that.
 
Red said:
carolina, I can disagree without being testy about it. I apologize for what has amounted to attack mode at times. I think I can do a better job in trying to achieve a certain context.

Both East and West practice meditation. We often forget that there is a rich tradition of Christian contemplative life and literature. In both East and West, people separate themselves from their greater society to lead contemplative lives. Utilizing spiritual practices to grow closer to what we call God. If you're an atheist, it might be seen as a fool's mission. Might as well be Don Quixote as seek that which doesn't exist. But, men and women of the Christian tradition are compelled into that life. Obviously, it's for the few. Few can do that.

But my point is, yes, yoga is used in spiritual practice. By sincere people being human. Seeking something larger then themselves. No need, no justification, in seeing that as bad. Both greater traditions practice meditation within their monastic schools. People speak of the "perennial wisdom", a commonality of understanding and practice underlying all the major religions. Who knows why some people seek that life? A fool's errand, the culmination of lifetimes of seeking if one believed such a thing, whatever. The point is both East and West utilize spiritual practices in service to their quest. Union with God? Read St. Theresa, or St. John of the Cross. For that matter, read the words of Sufi mystics. Love infuses all their words. St. John of the Cross is noted for coining the term, "the dark night of the soul", denoting a stage on the spiritual path. I think in any given lifetime, a relative very tiny % of humanity engages on such a journey.

Yoga is not dangerous. It has many layers. Of course it can be used strictly within a physical therapy context. One can even buy into the notion of prana, the life force, without becoming a Hindu or a Buddhist. Yoga poses are utilized during meditation. Meditation is not antithetical to Christianity. At all. Quite the contrary. The inner tradition of the faith has meditation and contemplation as the essential practices on the Christian spiritual path. Yoga has been a tool for optimizing the very same states within the Eastern tradition. You can't reduce it to sorcery. You can't demonize it. There really is no need of that.
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There's no need to apologize to CJ. He's an unrepentant bigot and richly deserves whatever contempt we throw his way.
 
Red said:
I believe the only reason you find it dangerous is because it does not stem from a Christian tradition.
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It's dangerous because it's not Biblically supported.....as are many so-called "Christian" traditions that have been adopted from "Pagan" teachings and beliefs! Biblical "truths" and so called "Christian" traditions are completely different and opposites! Consider this fact: real yoga is not merely a form of exercise. It is a Hindu religious practice. “The chief aim of the Yoga philosophy is to teach the means by which the human soul may be completely united with the Supreme Spirit,” according to Dr.B.S.Surti.....whether one wants to admit to it or not!

The unvarnished truth is that the practice of yoga....in any form.....is spiritism, which is condemned in the Bible. (Rev. 21:8) Chiefly behind such occult power is “the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Rev. 12:9) Because of that reason, Yoga in any form cannot benefit you. It can only do you harm.
 
Red said:
carolina, I can disagree without being testy about it. I apologize for what has amounted to attack mode at times. I think I can do a better job in trying to achieve a certain context.

Yoga is not dangerous. It has many layers. Of course it can be used strictly within a physical therapy context. One can even buy into the notion of prana, the life force, without becoming a Hindu or a Buddhist. Yoga poses are utilized during meditation. Meditation is not antithetical to Christianity. At all. Quite the contrary. The inner tradition of the faith has meditation and contemplation as the essential practices on the Christian spiritual path. Yoga has been a tool for optimizing the very same states within the Eastern tradition. You can't reduce it to sorcery. You can't demonize it. There really is no need of that.
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...if you engage in or practice something on a regular basis that is founded on the Hindu or Buddhist beliefs, then what would that make you......a Mormon?.....a Catholic?....a Baptist? Some may point to the fact that the Bible, too, encourages meditation. However, Christian meditation is an active meditation, pondering on upbuilding and beneficial matters. (Psalm 63:6; Proverbs 15:28; Philippians 4:8) Yoga-style meditation is something else. “The soul’s essence, pure intelligence, is obscured by mental activities, whose suppression is the main purpose of Yoga. The mind is to be controlled by constant practice of meditation and non attachment to material objects. The ultimate result is the suppression of all mental tendencies, conscious or latent.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.

In addition, there is great danger in making the mind totally blank. A blank mind makes a person easy prey for the demons. But the Christian, through proper meditation on Bible truths, can resist these wicked spirit creatures.—Eph. 6:11-13.
 
carolinajazz said:
...if you engage in or practice something on a regular basis that is founded on the Hindu or Buddhist beliefs, then what would that make you......a Mormon?.....a Catholic?....a Baptist? Some may point to the fact that the Bible, too, encourages meditation. However, Christian meditation is an active meditation, pondering on upbuilding and beneficial matters. (Psalm 63:6; Proverbs 15:28; Philippians 4:8) Yoga-style meditation is something else. “The soul’s essence, pure intelligence, is obscured by mental activities, whose suppression is the main purpose of Yoga. The mind is to be controlled by constant practice of meditation and non attachment to material objects. The ultimate result is the suppression of all mental tendencies, conscious or latent.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.

In addition, there is great danger in making the mind totally blank. A blank mind makes a person easy prey for the demons. But the Christian, through proper meditation on Bible truths, can resist these wicked spirit creatures.—Eph. 6:11-13.
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The enlightened man knows the main purpose for yoga is to perv out.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I think you would be seriously benefitted to experience life from the perspective of a person of color living in today's society. I am pretty confident that your perspective would undergo some serious changes.

There is plenty of liteature, studies, and personal experiences amply demonstrating the pervasiveness of racism in US society. That one denies its existence strikes me as likely one of two things: ignorance (this is not intended as value judgement--being white, middle class, for example, does not equip one to empathize with black and poor) and willfull ignorance (this IS intended as a value judgment).
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Where did I deny that racism exists? I believe that focusing on racism is not the best choice. There are much better things to invest our attention on.

I read an excellent book on this general subject years ago. It is called Race and Culture by Thomas Sowell. He's a brilliant man. You should take a look at the things he has to say.
 
carolinajazz said:
It's dangerous because it's not Biblically supported.....as are many so-called "Christian" traditions that have been adopted from "Pagan" teachings and beliefs! Biblical "truths" and so called "Christian" traditions are completely different and opposites! Consider this fact: real yoga is not merely a form of exercise. It is a Hindu religious practice. “The chief aim of the Yoga philosophy is to teach the means by which the human soul may be completely united with the Supreme Spirit,” according to Dr.B.S.Surti.....whether one wants to admit to it or not!

The unvarnished truth is that the practice of yoga....in any form.....is spiritism, which is condemned in the Bible. (Rev. 21:8) Chiefly behind such occult power is “the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Rev. 12:9) Because of that reason, Yoga in any form cannot benefit you. It can only do you harm.
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What utter idiocy.
 
Hahahahaha, I am genuinely enjoying Carolina's posts for the first time ever.
 
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