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The New Hate?

E.J. Wells said:
Just out of curiosity, how many politicians do you know personally? Rather, what experience do you have in order to make such a sweeping, bull **** assertion? Just curious.
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Once you get elected there will be at least one that acts mostly on their deeply held moral beliefs. At most a handful.

But if you must know, family friends include a couple of senators, one governor, more than a couple of mayors and city councilmen. My dad has been very active in varying levels of government and is one of those people who seems to know everyone. I love your enthusiasm and your optimism, it is sorely needed. But don't delude yourself my friend. The shiny veneer can fade fast if you don't work to keep it.
 
E.J. Wells said:
I don't know or care, I'm just happy that you acknowledged my existence. Finally.



Just out of curiosity, how many politicians do you know personally? Rather, what experience do you have in order to make such a sweeping, bull **** assertion? Just curious.



The same question for you, sir.



Never mind, I don't want your answer. I'll go out back and talk to the kitty litter box instead; I'm bound to get a better reply.



I know, but the Utes got lucky. Again.
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Like I was saying in my essay about "balling", it seems it takes a seriously competent male to play like the little bulls do. . . doesn't really correlate with "gay".

I have a dog I named "Lucky". He's the most aggressive male I have, and sometimes if I want some puppies from a particularly difficult female dog. . . . see I can evade the filter in here. . . .I give "Lucky" the call. . . . .

The problem with BYU is their rule against getting lucky. . . . .








JK, I hope. . . .
 
babe said:
Like I was saying in my essay about "balling", it seems it takes a seriously competent male to play like the little bulls do. . . doesn't really correlate with "gay".

I have a dog I named "Lucky". He's the most aggressive male I have, and sometimes if I want some puppies from a particularly difficult female dog. . . . see I can evade the filter in here. . . .I give "Lucky" the call. . . . .

The problem with BYU is their rule against getting lucky. . . . .








JK, I hope. . . .
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Wow at first I thought you said Lucy and it totally changed this whole post.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Once you get elected there will be at least one that acts mostly on their deeply held moral beliefs. At most a handful.

But if you must know, family friends include a couple of senators, one governor, more than a couple of mayors and city councilmen. My dad has been very active in varying levels of government and is one of those people who seems to know everyone. I love your enthusiasm and your optimism, it is sorely needed. But don't delude yourself my friend. The shiny veneer can fade fast if you don't work to keep it.
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Meh. I love you, dog, but your attitude is the ****s. I will admit, most of the politicians I know better than just a few handshakes are low level city guys, but I am on good terms with two members of the House as well. I don't know of two guys that follow their moral beliefs more vehemently than them. Are there John Swallows at every level? Of course there are, but I think a few dumbass bad apples really sully the overall reputation of elected officials. After seeing the absolute **** that those people have to go through, the anger, vitriol, etc. it is a wonder that they even bother in the first place. They keep going, IMO, because it's worth it. The money sucks for the work you have to do, the hours suck, and the people who hate you for no reason suck. That, to me, doesn't equate to someone who is in it for any other reason than they care, and want to serve their fellow man.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Meh. I love you, dog, but your attitude is the ****s. I will admit, most of the politicians I know better than just a few handshakes are low level city guys, but I am on good terms with two members of the House as well. I don't know of two guys that follow their moral beliefs more vehemently than them. Are there John Swallows at every level? Of course there are, but I think a few dumbass bad apples really sully the overall reputation of elected officials. After seeing the absolute **** that those people have to go through, the anger, vitriol, etc. it is a wonder that they even bother in the first place. They keep going, IMO, because it's worth it. The money sucks for the work you have to do, the hours suck, and the people who hate you for no reason suck. That, to me, doesn't equate to someone who is in it for any other reason than they care, and want to serve their fellow man.
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QFT.

Err I mean are founding fathers weren't career politicians yo. Not one of them.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Just out of curiosity, how many politicians do you know personally? Rather, what experience do you have in order to make such a sweeping, bull **** assertion? Just curious.
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At least one former minister in our federal government and one former minister in the provincial. I worked on 2 campaigns for the first one.
 
Stoked said:
Keep in mind that I am in no way comparing the history of these words/terms beucase lets be honest there is no comparison. Having said that here we go...

Is political hate more intense and divisive right now, in this moment in time, than any other hate or "ism" (sexism, racism, religious bigotry...) in America? Is political hate merely being given different names? Such as racism or communism?

Thoughts?
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what exactly is meant by "political" hate - because it seems like it's difficult to separate politics from the social, cultural and economic aspects that differentiate the issues.

Are we just talking about the fact the the Republicans and Democrats seem to have such a difficult time working together? Because if that's what's meant, I'm not sure it's any worse now than it's been at other points in the past. Eventually one side or the other either caves or implodes.


I do think compromise has gotten to be sort of a "dirty" word though and that there's a lot more fear of being "victimized" by the "other" side than there was 10 - 20 years ago. You see this even in the most inconsequential of events or actions. Road rage is first example that comes to mind. I'm not sure that phrase was even in our vocabulary 20 years ago.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Meh. I love you, dog, but your attitude is the ****s. I will admit, most of the politicians I know better than just a few handshakes are low level city guys, but I am on good terms with two members of the House as well. I don't know of two guys that follow their moral beliefs more vehemently than them. Are there John Swallows at every level? Of course there are, but I think a few dumbass bad apples really sully the overall reputation of elected officials. After seeing the absolute **** that those people have to go through, the anger, vitriol, etc. it is a wonder that they even bother in the first place. They keep going, IMO, because it's worth it. The money sucks for the work you have to do, the hours suck, and the people who hate you for no reason suck. That, to me, doesn't equate to someone who is in it for any other reason than they care, and want to serve their fellow man.
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The attitude is from experience and observation, and so valid. Everyone's experience will likely vary. On the local level you are probably largely right, although the councilmen I have known have varied between totally inept and plain rotten, but as it goes higher up it seems to shift more. I am sure you are right that a few bad apples can spoil the bushel, but you have to admit, it sure seems like it is the majority of bad apples that make it to the national stage.

And the money only sucks at the local and state level. Once they hit the national stage that changes drastically.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The attitude is from experience and observation, and so valid. Everyone's experience will likely vary. On the local level you are probably largely right, although the councilmen I have known have varied between totally inept and plain rotten, but as it goes higher up it seems to shift more. I am sure you are right that a few bad apples can spoil the bushel, but you have to admit, it sure seems like it is the majority of bad apples that make it to the national stage.

And the money only sucks at the local and state level. Once they hit the national stage that changes drastically.
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Dude, apologies are in order. I didn't mean to attack your opinion like that, and it was pretty damn dumb to just assume that my opinion on the matter was 100% correct. You make good points.
 
And to add, I at no point said that all politicians are corrupt, or even that majority are corrupt. They just tend to know what to say, when to say it, and how to keep the public and private persona separate. Oh, and not to bite the hand that feeds them. Both in Canada and the USA, it's nearly impossible to get elected to federal office as an independent.

When his party was in opposition, the minister I know broke ranks with the party and was one of 5 MPs who voted for gay marriage, based on very deep personal convictions. 3 years later, he voted with his party(now in power) to raise the age of consent, despite seriously opposing the law in private. Why? First of all, because despite the claims by the party that they don't enforce voting discipline, he might have faced censure. Second of all, because he might have then had to explain the reasons his opposition to the law, which the masses would've likely found very controversial.

He's a great guy, and has a really strong moral compass, but can I blame him for not messing with his own career?
 
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