The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I hope we win every last game and get lucky in the lottery or the draft. We have enough young talent. It's time to admit YB85 was right, you can build and stay competitive like Atlanta or Detroit. Let's start winning and build on this group, not the next unknown.

The Hawks team is showing that good coaching, a good system and good players that fit that system can make a great team.

It's interesting that the Hawks have a core that includes Millsap, Korver and Teague, which at face-value looks similar to what the Jazz had several years ago when DWill was here. You can add Demarre Carroll too. The difference is the type of play and that some of those guys are having career years. Maybe Sloan's system really was out of date.

That said, I have no problem staying about where we are in the standings. I think there are 6 or 7 players in this draft that actually would be impact players for the Jazz. The Jazz do have a nice set of young talent and will have Burks and Hood coming back. Now they're playing with house money and can pick up one more guy they want.

Russell, Towns, Porzingis, Mudiay, Hezonja and Johnson are worth picking up in this draft. So are a couple later guys.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I agree, but mainly because this draft sucks, imo.

Wrong.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The draft with Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesely and Bismack Biyombo all going top 7 was a weak draft.
(I'm a homer so I can't put Kanter in that group.)

This one looks pretty good 1 - 8 to me.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Wrong.

Have I ever been wrong, on anything, ever?

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Have I ever been wrong, on anything, ever?

Yep.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Yep.

Thought you'd have my back KEK, sad day.

 

[freakazoid]

Utah needs to finish no worse than 8th and preferably top 6. If they drop below #10 then I think I'd prefer to trade the pick for some experience, depending on which players drop past their projections. No reason to give up on the tank when we're so much closer to the bottom than the top. Right now we still have some big holes to fill, and it's by no means a given that we'll be able to fill those adequately through a trade of FA. A top 6 pick still gives us a decent shot of grabbing a difference maker or lucking into a top 3 pick. Utah has a nice rebuild going, but that can still get screwed up with one bad move made out of impatience.
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Even if you believe Utah has enough young talent, a high pick can be traded for an experienced vet. There's no such thing as too many valuable assets.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The Hawks team is showing that good coaching, a good system and good players that fit that system can make a great team.

It's interesting that the Hawks have a core that includes Millsap, Korver and Teague, which at face-value looks similar to what the Jazz had several years ago when DWill was here. You can add Demarre Carroll too. The difference is the type of play and that some of those guys are having career years. Maybe Sloan's system really was out of date.

That said, I have no problem staying about where we are in the standings. I think there are 6 or 7 players in this draft that actually would be impact players for the Jazz. The Jazz do have a nice set of young talent and will have Burks and Hood coming back. Now they're playing with house money and can pick up one more guy they want.

Russell, Towns, Porzingis, Mudiay, Hezonja and Johnson are worth picking up in this draft. So are a couple later guys.

No, it was because Sloan's system had ****ign Boozer and Okur for rim-protection.

The Jazz offense of that era was ****ing elite. Horford + Sap >>>> Booz + Okur on defense. Carroll is also a better three-point shooting 3 than AK

 

[fishonjazz]

Utah needs to finish no worse than 8th and preferably top 6. If they drop below #10 then I think I'd prefer to trade the pick for some experience, depending on which players drop past their projections. No reason to give up on the tank when we're so much closer to the bottom than the top. Right now we still have some big holes to fill, and it's by no means a given that we'll be able to fill those adequately through a trade of FA. A top 6 pick still gives us a decent shot of grabbing a difference maker or lucking into a top 3 pick. Utah has a nice rebuild going, but that can still get screwed up with one bad move made out of impatience.
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Even if you believe Utah has enough young talent, a high pick can be traded for an experienced vet. There's no such thing as too many valuable assets.

Agree 100%

I'm close to last year's tank mode..... though not there yet.

 

[framer]

Agree 100%

I'm close to last year's tank mode..... though not there yet.

It really helps that all we need out of this draft is a solid 3 and D guy. A lot less pressure on the pick.

 

[franklin]

The Hawks team is showing that good coaching, a good system and good players that fit that system can make a great team.

It's interesting that the Hawks have a core that includes Millsap, Korver and Teague, which at face-value looks similar to what the Jazz had several years ago when DWill was here. You can add Demarre Carroll too. The difference is the type of play and that some of those guys are having career years. Maybe Sloan's system really was out of date.

That said, I have no problem staying about where we are in the standings. I think there are 6 or 7 players in this draft that actually would be impact players for the Jazz. The Jazz do have a nice set of young talent and will have Burks and Hood coming back. Now they're playing with house money and can pick up one more guy they want.

Russell, Towns, Porzingis, Mudiay, Hezonja and Johnson are worth picking up in this draft. So are a couple later guys.

The point is whether you land 6th or 14th you need a lot of luck to draft that guy, like a Rudy Gay slipping, who becomes an all star. Also, I'd rather get the 14th spot and get lucky than 6th spot and get unlucky. Give me a LeBron-Melo-Wade or a Bogut-Williams-Paul draft and maybe I'd say otherwise, but in 90% of the years and 90% of situations I want to win. Last season was a 10% season.

 

[cowhide]

Atlanta is good because they play as a team. Guys pass it to guys who are open. They are very deep and have a system that matches their talents. Just think Millsap, Korver and Carroll all former Jazz players who we let walk. Ouch. I think the Jazz should start looking at getting some glue guys like the three guys we gave up. I will wait on moving the pick until I see who is available in the draft. Even in bad draft if you pick the right guy it doesn't always matter where you pick. You just have to have enough dumb teams pass on your guy. That is how we got Rudy.