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The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

ONE LOVE said:
I guess what I most want is us finishing .500 but also being in the lottery with a good pick... can't have the cake and eat it too I guess.
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If Boston makes the playoffs, it just means a different EC with a lousy record will fall to the 9th spot.
Utah is finishing ahead of every non-playoff EC team. And they'll barely miss catching Phoenix. We're picking #12. Booker it!
 
Stifle Tower said:
If Boston makes the playoffs, it just means a different EC with a lousy record will fall to the 9th spot.
Utah is finishing ahead of every non-playoff EC team. And they'll barely miss catching Phoenix. We're picking #12. Booker it!
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I refuse to believe we'll get Booker. We can't have x2 Bookers on our team. It's in the NBA constitutions.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I refuse to believe we'll get Booker. We can't have x2 Bookers on our team. It's in the NBA constitutions.
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Not what I was getting at. I think the Jazz will go PF with their pick. WE already have several players who can play the 2: Burks, Hayward, Hood and even Exum - or our defensive specialist, Millsap. I think the pick - if not traded - will be Porzingis, Looney or Lyles. Have to make sure we have a player who can step in if Trevor Booker leaves or wants too much as a FA.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Not what I was getting at. I think the Jazz will go PF with their pick. WE already have several players who can play the 2: Burks, Hayward, Hood and even Exum - or our defensive specialist, Millsap. I think the pick - if not traded - will be Porzingis, Looney or Lyles. Have to make sure we have a player who can step in if Trevor Booker leaves or wants too much as a FA.
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Ah ok.. yeah me too. If Turner drops may be we can grab him too. I'm not really sold on him but he does play defense and can stroke it from range. Sounds like the perfect 3rd big.
 
I get the why, but I don't like drafting based on perceived needs. Needs change year to year based on dozens of factors. Holes in the roster, players not developing as hoped, players leaving or being traded, injuries. . .

Scout your *** off. Set your board and stick to it. Identify the best players and fits for your team. Aggressively try to acquire the guys you want the most. If a deal isn't in the making, follow your board and draft the highest rated player (regardless of position.) Fill holes through free agency and trades for veterans. If the best player is a wing, I hope they draft a wing. If it's a big, I hope they draft a big. Hell, even if it's a point guard, I hope they draft him.
 
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Yes, but if players are pretty equal, then "need" becomes the tie-breaker. And I think in that 8-12 range it's a crapshoot. Of course the Jazz will take BPA. But I just don't see that much separation between the players projected to go in that range.
 
Ellis269 said:
I get the why, but I don't like drafting based on perceived needs. Needs change year to year based on dozens of factors. Holes in the roster, players not developing as hoped, players leaving or being traded, injuries. . .

Scout your *** off. Set your board and stick to it. Identify the best players and fits for your team. Aggressively try to acquire the guys you want the most. If a deal isn't in the making, follow your board and draft the highest rated player (regardless of position.) Fill holes through free agency and trades for veterans. If the best player is a wing, I hope they draft a wing. If it's a big, I hope they draft a big. Hell, even if it's a point guard, I hope they draft him.
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I guess that argument works if player A and player B are far apart talent wise. If they are similar or it's just simply too close to call, then go for positional need every single time.


Sure you can draft the guy that's "slightly better", but when you have to trade that guy away in the future to fill your need, you might lose some value anyway.... so it might not be worth it.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I guess that argument works if player A and player B are far apart talent wise. If they are similar or it's just simply too close to call, then go for positional need every single time.


Sure you can draft the guy that's "slightly better", but when you have to trade that guy away in the future to fill your need, you might lose some value anyway.... so it might not be worth it.
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I like using the talent tier system... Think most teams subscribe to this theory. If there is a player in a higher talent tier available then take them regardless of fit. If you have multiple options in the same talent tier then take the best fit.
 
I think teams look at drafting the most rare and valuable asset when they pick. They're looking to get talent through the draft that will be difficult to get any other way. Talented bigs, legit stretch 4s, potential go-to scorers, etc. normally go near the top of the draft.

If the Jazz want a guard just to shoot the ball to space the floor a bit, they can actually get that through free agency and low-cost trades. Guys like Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Marvin Williams, Gerald Green, etc. can all shoot the ball, and can get picked up fairly readily. We were flat-out giving guys like that away a couple years ago.

This is why I'm not 100% sure we'd use a lottery pick to take Booker. It really depends on whether he can do more than just spot up and shoot the ball. What can he do better than Hood?

If we really can't get a starting caliber wing, someone who can put up 20 ppg, then I do think we may look at getting a versatile big who can really shoot the ball--basically, someone to replace Kanter. I think Looney, Lyles, Porter and Turner do come into play.
 
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