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The Official Blow up the team thread.

LunaticWolf said:
They are playing. They will get more minutes when we make moves when we get closer to the deadline. 1 trade has been made this season.

Wait till the deadline, then you can bitch.
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I've been bitching since the last trade deadline when a move should have been made. It's too ****ing late now. You can't get anything because both players that need to go can be had in the off season without giving up anything.
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After the trade deadline you'll tell us to wait until the off season. Then when they only get trash you'll tell us see I told you these players were not the answer because we wasted the last 2 seasons not developing them and not finding out what they need to be surrounded with. Then these players will leave because the franchise spent the better part of 2 seasons ****ing them over.
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We lost D-will partially because he got screwed by Sloan for half of 1 season. Why should Favors stick around a franchise that does the same thing to him for 2 seasons?
 
LunaticWolf said:
History is kinda on my side on this one bro.
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And the history of superstars that were drafted in the lottery (versus in the lottery)? Or the history of franchises that have a long-standing tradition of winning vs. teams that have a long-standing tradition of losing?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Wolf, what do you think the MOST LIKELY route is for the Jazz to get a championship? And to make things clear, do you think the majority of the talent will come by way of trade, free agency, or draft?
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We've drafted, and we will trade.

The chances of getting a big name are slim. We need to bring in some key pieces via FA in the coming years.
 
gregbroncs said:
Link? Or some sort of evidence.

I'll start by giving the most obvious proof that it's not. The Spurs won 4 championships because they tanked for 1 year.
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And there were 8 other teams that year that tanked and ended up with nothing.

Think how things would have been if we drafted Marvin instead of Deron.

The draft is a crapshoot and these mistakes are made every year.
 
You are delusional if you think Sloan's refusal to play his best PG simply because he was a rookie (and not saying anything about the investment that the franchise put into getting Deron, to the point that Larry had to direct Sloan to do the only sensible thing) didn't have any affect on their relationship.

I'm not saying that's the only reason things went sour (I point to the abject failure of the team to make tough decisions on AK and Memo as the primary reasons as it ruined their ability to retain [Matthews] or seek out [who knows?] better players), but I can't imagine they weren't seeds. Not all seeds sprout, but when the conditions are right...
 
NUMBERICA said:
You are delusional if you think Sloan's refusal to play his best PG simply because he was a rookie (and not saying anything about the investment that the franchise put into getting Deron, to the point that Larry had to direct Sloan to do the only sensible thing) didn't have any affect on their relationship.

I'm not saying that's the only reason things went sour (I point to the abject failure of the team to make tough decisions on AK and Memo as the primary reasons as it ruined their ability to retain [Matthews] or seek out [who knows?] better players), but I can't imagine they weren't seeds. Not all seeds sprout, but when the conditions are right...
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Why would Deron have signed his initial 3 year extension if this was the case?
 
LunaticWolf said:
And there were 8 other teams that year that tanked and ended up with nothing.
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And your evidence that keeping mediocre players over dumping them? Because despite my example. The real argument is the development of the youth. Did the Spurs leave Duncan on the bench? Did the Cavs leave Lebron on the bench. Portland left their Jermaine O'neal on the bench and he blossomed as soon as he left and got minutes.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Why would Deron have signed his initial 3 year extension if this was the case?
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It doesn't seem that you read or grasped my post (or how extensions work, or how the Jazz were doing at the time) and I wish that surprised me.

I think the fact that he didn't sign a longer extension says a lot about his faith in the organization. Despite that they were good (but not great, and not showing the cajones to make tough decisions).
 
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