The "Official" How many Turnovers did Trey Burke have in this game thread.

[jope]

In the month of December:

Trey burke
6.2 ast
1.2 to
5.16 ast/to

Last 4 games
7.75 ast
1.75 to
4.43 ast/to


If he keeps this up... Even if for whatever reason he didnt improve much, he is already pretty much the most efficient passer in the league. I don't see this as an issue. At all. Now it remains to be seen if he can do this for a season, but it's clear that he has the capability to do so.

 

[DutchJazzer]

10 assist 1 turnover vs nugs

 

[sgjazzfan]

"But but but... he sucks" -Jazz fanz during summer league

 

[One Brow]

Ya its too bad burke isn't committing lots more turnovers per game because then we could be excited about his future

But alas, he doesn't turn it over much so he will probably suck

That's a great fun-house mirror form of the argument. The point is that a low TOV% is not necessarily a sign of future ability.

On the other hand, without looking at something like AST/TOV ratio and other indicators, it's hard to say whether Burke fits or breaks the pattern.

 

[da ThRONe]

That's a great fun-house mirror form of the argument. The point is that a low TOV% is not necessarily a sign of future ability.

On the other hand, without looking at something like AST/TOV ratio and other indicators, it's hard to say whether Burke fits or breaks the pattern.

What pattern? Based on the stats he's apparently in a league of his own when it comes to TOV% as a rookie PG.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

What pattern? Based on the stats he's apparently in a league of his own when it comes to TOV% as a rookie PG.

This.

I'm going to love seeing Trey play Tony Parker and Chris Paul.

#ROYforTrey

 

[sirkickyass]

If trolling is asking someone to have some consistency in their stance. Then yes I'm trolling.

1st why are you making these comparsions if it just a sample?

2nd to your point about not getting excited why not? Your agrument has too many fallacy in it. You are basically comparing apples to oranges when you compare players that are catch-n-shoot wings to a lead guard. What are these players usage rate? How many mins did they log their rookie seasons? What were their over all projections as pros? Just a few questions that would need to be answered to get a feel for why they had such low TO% and why they didn't improve.

You are assuming that I'm not aware of your original point. I never said how you felt about Burke as a prospect. This has always been about you suggesting that his low TO% is not a good indication that he will be a good player, and that it may be a sign that his ceiling is limited.

If only you had the ability to look up any of those numbers anytime you wanted.

How about this: Make a case as to why he's more likely to be Eddie Jones than anyone else on the list and then we'll talk.

 

[sirkickyass]

Could make a decent argument that high TO's aren't that alarming for a rookie, bit to pretend like a lack of TO's caps someone's upside is beyond full artard.


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It means that there are fewer "easy" improvements to make and "easy" mistakes to cut down on.

If you read the literature this is a conclusion that, while somewhat counterintuitive, jumps out at you.

 

[bovice]

If Marcus Smart is the best player available at the time of our pick, would you guys take him?

 

[Deleted member 848]

We have a red-alert for speaking out of your ***.

Oh really?

The point is that Burke's present Turnover numbers aren't a powerful predictor of a strong NBA future.




It's not a point of criticism about the player. I'm saying this isn't necessarily a good reason to be excited about Burke's future growth. I'm telling people not to drink so much punch over this particular statistic.

Before being a **** and slamming me with the label of "talking out of my ***", how about you develop a shred of communicational skills, and simply say "Well Dalamon, I think turnover percentage is a much more accurate statistic than turnovers/game. Heres why: "--

but of course, that would be admittedly very non-Kicky like.

 

[Deleted member 848]

It means that there are fewer "easy" improvements to make and "easy" mistakes to cut down on.

If you read the literature this is a conclusion that, while somewhat counterintuitive, jumps out at you.

Literature? What od you mean by 'literature', exactly? You mean statistics that can be interpreted 300 different ways by 300 different people?



Lol @ 'literature'. Pls link me the academic journals of the NBA world. TIA.


He's right guys, Burke is averaging low turnovers and therefore he will B Bust #BurkeIzBust

 

[Deleted member 848]

Guys, Burke is 21, and he is averaging low turnovers. He has already hit his ceiling. Let's ignore the fact that he isn't the main-ballhandler on this offense in his rookie year, in comparison to other great PGs. Let's ignore the differences in usage rates between Burke, and other great PGs in their rookie seasons. Guys, I read about it in 'basketball literature'.