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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Imo the stuff with Trump and Russia are not that much different than Watergate. The "just happened to get caught" factor, whereas pretty much everyone knew it was what both parties had been doing, or allowing. That combined with the fact that Trump just didn't care who knew he was colluding brought it to light more starkly than ever before. But to think this was literally the first time a foreign power tried to exert influence over one of our elections would be naive in the extreme. As would assuming that the powers that be had no idea it was happening.
 


Seems like an odd time to be whining about The Times. I mean with a potential regional conflict in the Middle East and all.

He’s just so thought provoking!

 
The Thriller said:


Seems like an odd time to be whining about The Times. I mean with a potential regional conflict in the Middle East and all.

He’s just so thought provoking!

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He is absolutely thought provoking in all the worst ways.

He should be making us question our morals, pride, willingness to take a stand, patriotism...
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/17/best-evidence-obstruction-justice/

--To be clear, the president has no authority to tell a witness not to show up. The president has no absolute immunity to prevent ex-aides from testifying. And he really has no basis for instructing a private citizen who never served in the White House to obstruct an investigation. And that is what he did, according to Lewandowski.

--And so it goes. At this point the most glaring obstruction, the most comprehensible, is the president’s obstruction of impeachment hearings. If a president can prevent the House from formulating impeachment articles, then the president has literally no constitutional restraint on his conduct.
 
Red said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/17/best-evidence-obstruction-justice/

--To be clear, the president has no authority to tell a witness not to show up. The president has no absolute immunity to prevent ex-aides from testifying. And he really has no basis for instructing a private citizen who never served in the White House to obstruct an investigation. And that is what he did, according to Lewandowski.

--And so it goes. At this point the most glaring obstruction, the most comprehensible, is the president’s obstruction of impeachment hearings. If a president can prevent the House from formulating impeachment articles, then the president has literally no constitutional restraint on his conduct.
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It’ll be interesting if norms like these have been permanently damaged by Trump. Or if the next few presidents will return to act like most presidents and don’t like... obstruct justice and abuse power like this.

And I’m old enough to remember when people claimed that having an inexperienced president like trump would enable congress to flex its muscles. They’re now more subservient than ever to the executive.

How’s Congress supposed to hold the executive accountable with one hand tied behind their backs?
 
The Thriller said:
It’ll be interesting if norms like these have been permanently damaged by Trump. Or if the next few presidents will return to act like most presidents and don’t like... obstruct justice and abuse power like this.

And I’m old enough to remember when people claimed that having an inexperienced president like trump would enable congress to flex its muscles. They’re now more subservient than ever to the executive.

How’s Congress supposed to hold the executive accountable with one hand tied behind their backs?
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It's going to continue to be difficult for Democrats to win close elections for the Oval Office:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...icans-lose-popular-vote-win-electoral-college

Plus Republicans are doing a better job of gerrymandering, now with permission of the SCOTUS, and they are going strong on voter surpression. I think a Republican Senate and Presidency will see a continuation of Trump's "norms". And with Republicans packing the lower courts, reactionaries should do well in the culture wars, despite increasing diversity in demographics and social mores among the public. And that does not bode well for social harmony.
 
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