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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

That quote was from the article, of course, and not myself directly. I do not feel I know enough about Chavez to offer informed comment on that claim, or suggestion. The American examples, on the other hand, are spot-on good examples.
Yes, I'm no expert on him either, but what I've read is that he was a beloved leader who did much for the people there, perhaps a benevolent dictator, though that may be an incorrect characterization as I too am brainwashed by American propaganda. Certainly not hated as the majority of people feel about Trump. It's really sad that it has come to that in the U.S., the propaganda that is being proliferated and no matter how well-informed we might be, we all are influenced by it.
 
Sorry man, there is absolutely no comparison. None. Zero,. Zilch. There is no broad brush here, it's meant to pin point and a cause fear. Statements like this are extremely dangerous. You are literally comparing Trump to a person responsible for killing 6+ million Jews. There's no comparison. This is nothing more than emotional overreach and fear mongering.

You're saying Trump is using fear and anxiety but it's you comparing Trump to Hitler. You may not realize it but by doing so, with no broad brush, you are also insinuating his followers are comparible to SS Nazis. Hell posters in this very thread called have me a Nazi, just to prove a point. Its uneducated, morally void, and downright lunacy.

Democrats every single day strike fear into it's constituents. From the day he put his name on the ballot box Democrats have a demographic that has screamed "RESIST", "NOT MY PRESIDENT", "IM MOVING TO CANADA" Every day I read people tweets from random source on how evil he is, then it's swept under the rug. Not all of it but a lot of it.

On the concept of fear, nothing is more scary than saying the world is going to end if we don't stop having babies. Now I'm no scientist and I can literally see the damage humans cause this Earth but we've been hearing this for almost a century. One day is the Ozone, the next it Global warming, in the 60's we were going to have ice, and now it's Climate change. I want to make it clear that I do believe humans are ruining this Earth but we've also been told the world is ending more than once. The Ozone layer scared the **** out of me when I would watch cartoons and be told were all going to burn.

I'm sorry "using people's fears and anxieties to obtain and maintain power". I live in Trump territory. These people are very good people. What are these people so afraid of? Wanting border protection? Wanting jobs? Wanting a strong economy? What these people are actually afraid of is a party that by it's own words will come to your door with police and take a constitutional right. A party that preaches socialism around every corner. Bernie for example called Warren a Capitalist like that's such a terrible thing(more fear mongering).

Hell, even Hillary has said that not excepting the results of an election are a threat to Democracy. Yet here we have people blaming Russia while also admitting they have no clue if it really effected the results. I quoted a poster yesterday who said this very thing. Now you have these same people screaming that Tulsi is an Russian agent.

Red, you're one of the more level headed posters here. I can admit sometimes I'm not. I respect you but I think you and your party need to take a long look in the mirror before calling anybody anything. Especially something as downright terrible as Hitler. Nobody is gassing, starving, torturing, and experimenting on anybody and in the near future will not. And I know that's not what you're saying, but that's is what Hitler did. He is one of the most evil people in the history of mankind. I'm sorry, there is no comparison.

I might call him Hitler-lite. He has had no compassion for immigrants fleeing oppression and dangerous situation in their countries and has denied them of human rights, separating thousands of families. He has no respect for the laws that govern his position. He incites violence against those who disagree with him or who are not white. He seems to revel in his autocracy and how he can use his position to enforce his ideas, much like the dictators he seems to be congenial with. The guy is evil, and there's no telling what he might do if he is able to gain more power. His narcissistic personality prevents him from using reason in dealing with many situations. He is certainly a demagogue and a threat to American democracy.
 
I'll just add this, since I quoted your above question in my last reply to you, but did not answer it in a direct manner. The founding fathers were quite concerned with the possibility of a demagogue ascending to the presidency. One might say demagogues are a type of political disease that can afflict democratic societies. You would not expect one in a monarchy, for instance, since monarchs do not run for their position in society, and do not have to use marketing to sell themselves. They do not have to devise cynical game plans to ascend to power. They're born into power.

The purpose, therefore, was to remind you that there are many styles of political leadership, and the demagogue is among the most dangerous, and something that should be avoided. Therefore, pointing out that Trump is a demagogue is useful information in understanding the situation that exists within our government at this time. And since we are dealing here with the very fundamentals of American governance, the fact that our founders were very concerned with the possibility of demagogues in our future, that fact alone should make one willing to address the question of whether Trump is just such a leader as something highly relevant.

Now, if you choose to say "Trump is not a demagogue", then, of course, the lesson is lost. If, on the other hand, you are able to recognize that he is a demagogue, but would prefer to compare his style to other demagogues altogether, since the leaders of fascism in the 20th century, as points of comparison with Trump, apparently greatly offends you, there are the American examples noted in my last comment. One should keep in mind, nonetheless, IMHO, the wise observation made by Timothy Snyder: "Post Truth is pre-Fascism".
We're not going agree as I think you're completely wrong on Trump being the only "demagogue" but I have no issue with you're thinking on this and I see where you're coming from. But... I feel you could've said this entire thing without bringing comparisons of Hitler. Forcing someone to buy healthcare could be viewed as communist but I'm not going to compare Obama to Stalin. Its absolutely ridiculous imo.

Its apple and oranges. I'm fine to agree to disagree though.
 
I might call him Hitler-lite. He has had no compassion for immigrants fleeing oppression and dangerous situation in their countries and has denied them of human rights, separating thousands of families. He has no respect for the laws that govern his position. He incites violence against those who disagree with him or who are not white. He seems to revel in his autocracy and how he can use his position to enforce his ideas, much like the dictators he seems to be congenial with. The guy is evil, and there's no telling what he might do if he is able to gain more power. His narcissistic personality prevents him from using reason in dealing with many situations. He is certainly a demagogue and a threat to American democracy.
Meh. We'll be fine, I promise. People said the same about that Radical Muslim Obama. It bat **** crazy in my eyes.
 
We're not going agree as I think you're completely wrong on Trump being the only "demagogue" but I have no issue with you're thinking on this and I see where you're coming from. But... I feel you could've said this entire thing without bringing comparisons of Hitler. Forcing someone to buy healthcare could be viewed as communist but I'm not going to compare Obama to Stalin. Its absolutely ridiculous imo.

Its apple and oranges. I'm fine to agree to disagree though.
Not communist -- autocratic. There's a big difference. Read up on Marx and learn what communism really means. It's not what the right-wing jerks who use the term to attack someone.
 
Forcing someone to buy healthcare could be viewed as communist ...

In our society, it is unethical (and currently illegal) for a medical practitioner to refuse to treat an ill patient. So, what is your solution for the people who do not buy insurance, and then get deathly and expensively ill? Do we refuse to treat them? Do they get a free ride off the backs of everyone else? Something else?
 
Not communist -- autocratic. There's a big difference. Read up on Marx and learn what communism really means. It's not what the right-wing jerks who use the term to attack someone.
Read up on Hitler. There's a big difference. Watch my video below and learn what Hitler really did. Its not calling for border control and going after fake news. Its not what alt left use to attack the President uneducatedly.

 
In our society, it is unethical (and currently illegal) for a medical practitioner to refuse to treat an ill patient. So, what is your solution for the people who do not buy insurance, and then get deathly and expensively ill? Do we refuse to treat them? Do they get a free ride off the backs of everyone else? Something else?
Not my problem. I pay for insurance and have since 16. I'm an adult. Now is our current system garbage? Yeah, especially for those with pre-existing conditions but personally I've had every means to buy affordable insurance. It's part of being an adult.

I'm healthy and take care of myself. I'm 1000% happy with my plan. Though it sucks I have to make up for free loaders, them having health insurance isn't my problem. Again, our current system is flawed no doubt so I understand some don't get the luxury I have. But I also understand a lot of people free load. Let them deal with the creditors.
 
People gave their lives to escape Nazi Germany. People gave their lives to come to Trumps(Hitler lite) America.

Something to think about.
 
Read up on Hitler. There's a big difference. Watch my video below and learn what Hitler really did. Its not calling for border control and going after fake news. Its not what alt left use to attack the President uneducatedly.


Jazzy, I am an historian. I know what Hitler did. He was a bigot who hated anyone who wasn't Aryan and he took this hatred to the ultimate extremes. Trump is a bigot who hates anyone who isn't white (his history is replete with examples of this, or at least he treats them as inferior). Could his hatred lead to similar extremes? Apparently, he has no concerns about the children who are harmed by his policies. No one, him included, seemed to care about the ISIS children who were killed. He put the onus on their father. No, he has not elevated himself to the level of bigotry demonstrated by Hitler. But he is noxious just the same.
 
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