The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

The Thriller

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That bill isn't reform, it's tweaking a few things. It didn't solve anything.

Actual reform will take both D's and R's working together to put forward an actual plan that addresses root causes vs. guideline changes. Let's see if our elected representation can actually do something about it - I'm not optimistic.
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Ron Mexico

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Yeah, because that bill sucks. It does nothing to legal accountably in police misconduct. It's an eye roll to say insentivize banning choke holds, host ban them. They haven't voted on it but Democrats proposed a much better and actually useful bill before this one and the Republicans already have said they went vote for it. But the Democrat one also isn't good enough.

The Thriller

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That bill isn't reform, it's tweaking a few things. It didn't solve anything.

Actual reform will take both D's and R's working together to put forward an actual plan that addresses root causes vs. guideline changes. Let's see if our elected representation can actually do something about it - I'm not optimistic.
Or real reform could be passed by the Democratic House and Senate and signed by President Biden next January.
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Or real reform could be passed by the Democratic House and Senate and signed by President Biden next January.
Which might be what actually happens. Having Legislative and Executive branches with a D majority would result in things getting done. It will no doubt piss off a section of people, but we also won't be stuck in a cycle of passing House resolutions that never see the light of day in the Senate.

Presidency is obviously the big prize, but the senate races in November are a huge story.

The Thriller

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Which might be what actually happens. Having Legislative and Executive branches with a D majority would result in things getting done. It will no doubt piss off a section of people, but we also won't be stuck in a cycle of passing House resolutions that never see the light of day in the Senate.

Presidency is obviously the big prize, but the senate races in November are a huge story.
I want Democrats to go scorched earth in 2021. Compromising with Fascists only moves the country further to the right. Time to bring the country back to sanity. If Republicans want to help? Cool. If not, ignore them. They've proven to be worthless during this pandemic. So just ignore them and pass the reforms needed. Use the nuclear option.
  • Ram through a new Civil Rights Act guaranteeing independent 3rd parties to draw up districts. This would guarantee voting rights to minorities and secure open polls. Include the vote by mail option to every state as well.
  • Ram through vital police reform and set national standards. Outlaw military equipment being sold to police. They shouldn't have that crap.
  • Ram through whatever the hell is needed to get this pandemic under control. Whether that's more testing, stimulus, etc.
  • Ram through strong ethics laws about government service. That way jokes like Kushner or Ivanka can never be put into positions of power again.
  • Ram through strong laws that improve Congressional oversight. I'm fine even granting powers to the minority party to conduct some oversight as well. As it stands right now Republicans in the House can't do anything (just like Dems couldn't do anything under Paul Ryan). I think that does us a disservice so that the party in power and President work together to stifle oversight and increase criming.
  • Ram through gun reform. The AR15 and bump stocks should be gone. I'm fine with some form of a gun buyback program.
  • Ram through legislation breaking up Facebook and setting ethical standards on social media. No more should social media be used by Russia and other bad actors to destroy our democracy. My patience with Zuckerberg has ended. Seeing those morons in Florida repeat their conspiracies about the pandemic just infuriated me yesterday.
  • Set new standards for judges. No reason why any judge should be appointed who hasn't ever actually been a judge before or prosecuted a case. Get rid of as many Trump judges as possible.
  • Repeal Trump's tax cuts to the rich. Time to bring fiscal responsibility back. This obviously isn't the silver bullet. But it's a big step in the right direction.
  • Ram through statehood for PR. Maybe even DC. If North and South Dakota can be used to maintain Republican control of the Senate, then we need to expand Democratic control too and give people representation. Either that or let residents in DC vote in Maryland or Delaware. They deserve representation.
  • Ram through something to help get rid of the EC. Whether it's the National Popular Vote Compact or what. But get rid of it. It's not serving its vetting purpose anymore. It's merely used by Republicans to help a minority authoritarian party maintain control.
  • Prosecute Trump, Pence, Kushner, Barr, Flynn, Pompeo, and the rest of the swamp to the fullest extent of the law. Completely gut the DOJ.
  • Promote Vindman and reinstate anyone else Trump fired/demoted because of personal vendettas.
  • Biden should compose an email upon entering the White House. The first email he should send, should be to a certain leader in Russia and it should consist of two words...

The Thriller

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I remember when the email lady’s husband met someone on the tarmac once. Republicans were outraged and probably rightfully so. So I expect them to be equally outraged at this. What do you think the odds are that the senate will call Barr in for Questioning?


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As we deal with a neofascist president, here is a synopsis of the history of fascism in the United States:

As militarized police in riot gear and armored vehicles barreled into peaceful protesters in cities across America, and its president emerged from a bunker to have citizens tear-gassed on his way to a church he’d never attended, holding a Bible he’d never read, many people recalled a famous saying often misattributed to Sinclair Lewis’s 1935 novel It Can’t Happen Here: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Because Lewis’s novel is the best remembered of the many warnings against American fascism in the interwar years, he has latterly been credited with the admonition, but they are not Lewis’s words.

The adage probably originated instead with James Waterman Wise, son of the eminent American rabbi Stephen Wise and one of the many voices at the time urging Americans to recognize fascism as a serious domestic threat. “The America of power and wealth,” Wise cautioned, is “an America which needs fascism.” American fascism might emerge from “patriotic orders, such as the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution… and it may come to us wrapped in the American flag or a Hearst newspaper.” In another talk that year, he put it slightly differently: American fascism would likely come “wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.”

An American fascism would, by definition, deploy American symbols and American slogans. “Do not look for them to raise aloft the swastika,” Wise warned, “or to employ any of the popular forms of Fascism” from Europe. Fascism’s ultra-nationalism means that it works by normalizing itself, drawing on familiar national customs to insist it is merely conducting political business as usual......


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Ram through something to help get rid of the EC. Whether it's the National Popular Vote Compact or what. But get rid of it. It's not serving its vetting purpose anymore. It's merely used by Republicans to help a minority authoritarian party maintain control.
Far as I understand, this would require a constitutional amendment, which means 2/3 of each house of Congress, plus 3/4 of the states. Not aware of a quick fix.


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Column of the month:

A couple of weeks ago I thought of making a list like that myself, but Amanda Carpenter did a much better job than I would have. So good, in fact, that I'm going to post her list here, in groups of 20. The hyperlinks probably won't transfer over, but she has given each list item one or two hyperlinks. (Edit: hey, it looks like the hyperlinks did transfer over, so that's great!)

1 through 20
  • 1

    Reported $1.17 billion in business losses over the decade. Trump “appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer,” according to the New York Times.

  • 2

    May 1, 1989
    Took out $85,000-worth of full-page ads in New York newspapers calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five—whose convictions were later vacated after DNA evidence proved their innocence. Trump never apologized.

  • 3

    Contrary to his story of being a self-made billionaire, Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real-estate empire, much of it transferred through suspect tax-dodging schemes.

  • 4

    Declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy for his various businesses six times.

  • 5

    Bragged about grabbing women “by the *****” in a conversation with Access Hollywood’s Billy Bush picked up on a hot mic.

  • 6

    Promoted birtherism against President Barack Obama—the false claim that Obama was not born in the United States, that his birth certificate was fraudulent, and that therefore he was constitutionally ineligible for the presidency.

  • 7

    Attacked in sexist and demeaning ways women who raised critical questions about his character. See: Megyn Kelly, Carly Fiorina, Hillary Clinton.

  • 8

    Denies accusations of sexual misconduct, ranging from unwanted kissing to rape, by calling the women “liars” and not “his type.”

  • 9

    June 16, 2015
    Announced his presidential campaign by describing America as “a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.” Mexicans coming to America, he said, were “bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

  • 10

    July 18, 2015
    Said Vietnam POW John McCain is “not a war hero” and “I like people who weren’t captured.”

  • 11

    November 22, 2015
    Claimed that “thousands and thousands” of people in New Jersey’s Arab communities cheered on 9/11.

  • 12

    2016 campaign season
    Encouraged violence. Said that he’d like to punch a protester “in the face”; that his supporters should “knock the hell” out of protesters—“I promise you, I’ll pay the legal bills”; and that the police should not protect suspects’ heads when loading them into squad cars.

  • 13

    May 11, 2016
    Refused to release his tax returns for public inspection after having previously promised to do so. On other occasions, he falsely claimed he could not release them because he was under audit. When, in 2019, Congress subpoenaed Trump’s tax returns, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin refused to comply—kicking off cases that went to the Supreme Court.

  • 14

    May-June 2016
    Said Judge Gonzalo Curiel is unfit to rule on a lawsuit filed by Trump University students because “he’s a Mexican” (in fact, the judge is an American citizen born in Indiana). Trump would later settle the lawsuit for $25 million.

  • 15

    July 27, 2016
    Called on Russia to hack and release Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s emails.

  • 16

    July 30, 2016
    Denigrated the family of U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who was killed in 2004 while serving in Iraq, after Khan’s father delivered remarks at the Democratic National Convention.

  • 17

    July 30, 2016
    Broke with U.S. policy of supporting Ukraine over Russia’s invasion of Crimea, saying: “The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.”

  • 18

    Fall 2016
    Before Election Day, repeatedly hyped unfounded fears of a “rigged” election. Then, after Election Day, he stated, without any evidence, “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

  • January 20, 2017
    Trump inaugurated, becomes the 45th president of the United States.

  • 19

    January 21, 2017
    As one of his first official acts as president, deployed White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer to lie about the size of his inauguration crowds.

  • 20

    January 21, 2017
    Blasted the news media and bragged about the size of his inauguration crowds—as well as his intellect—in front of the CIA’s wall of stars memorializing agents who died in service to the country.


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  • 21

    January 27, 2017
    Enacted the “Muslim ban” that, through executive order, prevented foreign nationals from seven predominantly Muslim countries from entering the United States for 90 days; the order was quickly contested in the courts, and its enforcement was blocked.

  • 22

    April 29, 2017
    Told Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, who had sanctioned the extrajudicial killing of drug suspects, that he was doing an “unbelievable job” of cracking down on his country’s drug problem.

  • 23

    May 9, 2017
    Fired FBI Director James Comey. Comey later said that Trump had told him during a private January 2017 dinner that “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.”

  • 24

    May 11, 2017
    Created a federal commission to investigate voter fraud that failed to find any examples of voter fraud.

  • 25

    May 16, 2017
    Remained silent when security forces working for Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, attacked protesters outside the Turkish ambassador’s residence in Washington, D.C.

  • 26

    July 9, 2017
    Considered creating a joint cyber security task force with Russia, despite the fact that Russia has been responsible for a host of cyber attacks against the United States. He tweeted, “[Russian President Vladimir] Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded.” Putin confirmed in a 2018 event that he had discussed the idea with Trump.

  • 27

    August 15, 2017
    Said there were “very fine people on both sides” of the alt-right protests in Charlottesville, Virginia.

  • 28

    August 25, 2017
    Pardoned Joe Arapaio, the former sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, who had been convicted of criminal contempt for disregarding a court order in a racial-profiling case.

  • 29

    October 11, 2017
    Tweeted a suggestion that “fake news” networks, such as NBC, should have their broadcast licenses “challenge[d].”

  • 30

    October 24, 2017
    Asked then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo to meet with a conspiracy theorist who believes that Russia didn’t hack emails from the Democratic National Committee computers during the 2016 campaign, but that the DNC itself leaked them.

  • 31

    November 26, 2017
    Stood by Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore amid credible accusations that Moore had committed acts of sexual misconduct.

  • 32

    January 2, 2018
    Escalated nuclear tensions with North Korea by tweeting, “I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”

  • 33

    January 11, 2018
    During an Oval Office meeting about immigration, asked lawmakers “Why do we want all these people from ******** countries coming here?

  • 34

    February 5, 2018
    Said Democrats who declined to applaud his State of the Union speech were “treasonous,” a charge that he would go on to level at other political opponents as well.

  • 35

    February 21, 2018
    Required a handwritten reminder to appear empathetic when he met with students and parents affected by school shootings.

  • 36

    March 3, 2018
    Congratulated Chinese President Xi Jinping on eliminating term limits. “I think it’s great,” Trump said. “Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.”

  • 37

    April 5, 2018
    Denied any knowledge of the $130,000 hush-money payment his lawyer Michael Cohen made to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels to keep her silent during the 2016 election. A book by Daniels laying out the details of her alleged 2006 affair with the married Trump was published later in 2018.

  • 38

    April 6, 2018
    Instituted a “zero tolerance” policy at the border requiring the forced separation of families; it was rescinded weeks later, after more than 2,300 children had been separated from their parents.

  • 39

    May 2018
    Overruled objections from national security officials to give son-in-law Jared Kushner a security clearance.

  • 40

    May 2018
    Accepted a memo from President Erdoğan of Turkey that claimed innocence for a Turkish firm under investigation by the Southern District of New York. According to John Bolton’s 2020 memoir of his time as Trump’s national security advisor, Trump “told Erdogan he would take care of things, explaining that the Southern District prosecutors were not his people, but were Obama people, a problem that would be fixed when they were replaced by his people.” (On June 20, 2020, he did fire the U.S. Attorney for the SDNY, Geoffrey Berman, who not only had indicted the Turkish-owned firm but had reportedly opened an inquiry into Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.)


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  • 61

    May 20, 2019
    Blocked former White House counsel and Mueller Report key witness Don McGahn from testifying before Congress—one of numerous witnesses the White House refused to let testify.

  • 62

    May 24, 2019
    Circumvented Congress by declaring an “emergency” over Iran so he could sell arms to Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates.

  • 63

    June 19, 2019
    Began pushing aides to block military aid to Ukraine, an action that was carried out later and that the Government Accountability Office said broke the law. This same day, he also falsely implied in a TV interview that Ukraine, not Russia, was somehow linked to the hacking of the DNC emails during the 2016 campaign.

  • 64

    June 28-29, 2019
    Lauded Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and declined questions about the brutal killing of Washington Post writer and legal U.S resident Jamal Khashoggi, whom the CIA concluded the prince had ordered dead.

  • 65

    June 28-29, 2019
    Asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him get re-elected, according to then-National Security Advisor John Bolton’s later account: During the G-20 meeting, Trump “stunningly . . . turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win. . . . He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome.” Bolton also reports that Trump told Xi he supports his building of concentration camps that hold an estimated one million Uighurs.

  • 66

    July 14, 2019
    Said of a trio of freshman minority Democratic congresswomen, “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”

  • 67

    July 23, 2019
    Attacked Special Counsel Robert Mueller on the eve of his testimony before Congress.

  • 68

    July 25, 2019
    Asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden—the action that led to President Trump’s impeachment by the House of Representatives in December 2019 and trial in the Senate in January and February 2020.

  • 69

    August 20, 2019
    Said that Jewish Americans who vote for Democrats are guilty of “either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty.”

  • 70

    August-September 2019
    Invited the Taliban to Camp David.

  • 71

    September 2019
    Canceled GOP presidential caucuses and primaries in four states.

  • 72

    September 4, 2019
    Displayed an official National Weather Service map in the Oval Office that was falsified with a Sharpie to make it seem as if government forecasters had during the previous week projected that Hurricane Dorian might strike Alabama, as he had erroneously claimed.

  • 73

    October 1, 2019
    Reports surfaced that Trump had suggested soldiers shoot migrants illegally crossing into the United States. He reportedly also inquired about putting a “water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators” at the border, “prompting aides to seek a cost estimate.”

  • 74

    October 23, 2019
    Described NeverTrump Republicans as “human scum.”

  • 75

    October 27, 2019
    Claimed that he had predicted Osama bin Laden’s 9/11 attack.

  • 76

    November 2019
    Intervened in the case of Chief Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher, following his trial for war crimes. Upon Trump’s order, Gallagher’s demotion was undone and he was allowed to keep his Navy SEAL Trident insignia, which he was about to be stripped of. Navy Secretary Richard Spencer was fired for opposing the president’s intervention.

  • 77

    November 7, 2019
    Ordered to pay $2 million in damages to settle claims brought by the New York state government that the Trump Foundation had misused funds. (The foundation was already being dissolved because of what New York officials called a “shocking pattern of illegality . . . including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more.” Much of this story was first unearthed by Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold.)

  • 78

    November 19, 2019
    Smeared Alexander Vindman, a U.S. Army lieutenant colonel detailed to the National Security Council, after Vindman testified in the House impeachment investigation.

  • 79

    February 7, 2020
    Fired impeachment witnesses Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland. (Also fired Alex Vindman’s brother, Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman, also a National Security Council staffer.)

  • 80

    February 20, 2020
    Longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone was sentenced to more than three years in prison after his conviction on seven felony charges, including lying under oath to Congress and obstructing the investigation into the 2016 election.


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81 through 100

  • 81

    February 26, 2020
    Said that “within a couple days” the number of COVID-19 cases in the United States—there were then 15 confirmed cases—was “going to be down to close to zero.” (See also the Bulwark timeline “The Ten Weeks That Lost the War.”)

  • 82

    February 28, 2020
    Said that Democrats “are politicizing the coronavirus” and that “this is their new hoax.”

  • 83

    March-May 2020
    Repeatedly touted the antimalarial drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine as treatments for COVID-19, despite the lack of high-quality evidence regarding either their effectiveness or their potential harmful side effects. On April 20, the administration demoted a top government virologist who questioned the scientific merits of these drugs for treating COVID-19. On May 18, Trump claimed that he had been taking hydroxychloroquine pills himself, although a note released that evening by the White House physician did not confirm the claim. By June, with the president’s attention elsewhere, both the NIH and the FDA cautioned against the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for treating COVID-19.

  • 84

    March 11, 2020
    Botched European travel ban forced thousands of Americans to scramble to get home, taking unnecessary coronavirus flight risks along the way.

  • 85

    April 3, 2020
    Fired the intelligence community inspector general in retaliation for delivering the whistleblower complaint that triggered impeachment.

  • 86

    April 4, 2020
    Blasted Navy Capt. Brett Crozier for writing a letter informing Navy leaders about the outbreak of coronavirus among sailors aboard the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt.

  • 87

    April 7, 2020
    Said that “mail ballots are a very dangerous thing for this country because they’re cheaters.” But President Trump had himself voted absentee by mail the previous month, and the vice president, the attorney general, several cabinet members, and numerous White House staffers had voted by mail as well.

  • 88

    April 23, 2020
    Suggested that light or disinfectants could be applied to the human body to treat coronavirus: “Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous—whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light. . . . supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting. . . . And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.”

  • 89

    May 12, 2020
    Promoted a conspiracy theory accusing MSNBC Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough of murder.

  • 90

    May 2020
    Pushed a new conspiracy theory, “OBAMAGATE,” that alleges that his predecessor used the final days of his presidency to lead a coup against the incoming Trump presidency—a scandal that would, in Trump’s words, be “the biggest political crime in American history, by far!” Trump later said, without evidence, that Obama had committed “treason.”

  • 91

    May 15, 2020
    Fired the inspector general of the Department of State at the request of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, whom the IG was investigating.

  • 92

    May 20, 2020
    Threatened to withhold federal funding from Michigan and Nevada if officials go forward with plans to mail absentee ballots or applications to voters.

  • 93

    May 26, 2020
    Tweeted misinformation about mail-in ballots, forcing Twitter to label Trump’s tweet with a fact-check.

  • 94

    May 29, 2020
    As of this date, according to a database compiled by the Washington Post, President Trump had told over 19,000 lies since he assumed office.

  • 95

    May 29, 2020
    Called Minneapolis protesters “THUGS” and said “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Twitter flagged the tweet as violating the platform’s rules against glorifying violence.

  • 96

    June 1, 2020
    Ordered the dispersal of peaceful protesters—by law-enforcement officers who attacked them with flash grenades, smoke grenades, rubber-ball grenades, pepper spray (a kind of tear gas), and pepper balls—so that he could walk from the White House across Lafayette Square for a photo op in front of St. John’s Church. In the days that followed, representatives from the White House, the Trump campaign, and various law-enforcement agencies denied that tear gas was used during the incident, although they later walked back their denials. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff later apologized for his presence at the scene. The incident also led former secretary of defense James Mattis to condemn the president: “We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square.”

  • 97

    June 9, 2020
    Speculated that a 75-year-old Black Lives Matter protester who was hospitalized after being shoved on June 4 by Buffalo police is an “ANTIFA provocateur.”

  • 98

    June 20, 2020
    Held an indoor campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma—without requiring the masks and social distancing recommended by government health authorities. Told the crowd that he believed too many cases of coronavirus were being logged and that he had instructed “my people” to “slow the testing down.” (After initial speculation that this was a joke, he later said that it was not, and that he really had ordered a slowdown in testing.) Two Secret Service agents present at the Tulsa rally later tested positive for COVID-19, a fact that then resulted in dozens of Secret Service personnel having to quarantine themselves. Eight staffers from Trump’s campaign staff also tested positive, so all campaign staffers who attended the rally reportedly had to quarantine themselves.

  • 99

    June 21, 2020
    Said that he delayed sanctions against Chinese officials involved in running concentration camps because he thought it would hurt his trade deal with the country.

  • 100

    June 26, 2020
    As of this date:

    The national debt stands at more than $26 trillion, having increased by at least $5.2 trillion since President Trump assumed office.

    The most recent estimate for the monthly unemployment rate was 13.3 percent.

    More than 124,000 Americans have died from COVID-19.


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Viewed in a timeline like that, all at once, Trump's corruption and incompetence is truly staggering. And Amanda said the hardest part was limiting herself to 100 items, so there are many other things she could have included.

He should have been impeached and removed from office already. Since he wasn't, he should be impeached and removed from office right now. Since that won't happen either, he must be voted out of office in November by the people.