The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[colton]

As nearly always, the progression is to deny, then say it would be fine if it had happened (but it didn't), then admit it actually happened, then brag about doing it.

 

[Red]

This might be the most insightful short essay on impeachment, and it's inherent flaws, and flaws born of partisanship, that I have ever read. Would that I could be this concise and on point. Yes, it's anti-Trump, which might encourage my pro-Trump friends to ignore it, but I do believe we can all gain from the insights this essay provides. Essentially, it's about what partisanship has rendered. I found it very clarifying, and am sharing it for that reason.

I do not see them begging for sentences (or even trials) of the many, many other characters who we could easily convict for the same as Stone or worse. It is such an absolute joke how that man has been treated. In fact, the claim is so egregious that I'm not even going to read beyond that part of the article. Instead, I'm going on vacation.

"The lesson in all this isn’t that the Constitution has recently broken so much as that its flaws, always present, have been fully revealed."

The sentence above, from the article, refers to the insights that are offered in the article, and that I found revealing and educational, and hinging on the long term development of partisanship in American politics. That was the reason I wanted to share it, and the very reason I implied that both pro Trump and Never Trumpers might actually learn something from those insights. I hope others who may have read it, found it worth their time. The fact that you could not does not surprise me, really.

 

[Red]

I think that the people who immerse themselves in the negative narrative of the left would be very surprised at how good life is for the vast majority of us. I live in a ski town and we sure aren't experiencing the predicted climate change that the left has been melting down about (and I have decades of experience to compare the current conditions to)

And I live in a North Atlantic coastal community, and, with the declining numbers of cold water species, like lobsters, and the arrival of warm water species from further south, and as well, the rising sea level, and the contingency plans being developed to adjust to the damaging impacts on salt marsh environments, due to the sea level rise, and forced relocations of coastal inhabitants, I do see the effects of the predicted climate change. And I have decades of experience living here to compare the current conditions to.

http://www.beachsamp.org/stormtools/stormtools-coastal-environmental-risk-index-

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/4/3/54

http://nbep.org/

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/p...d_Regional_SLR_Scenarios_for_the_US_final.pdf

https://www.ecori.org/climate-change/2017/2/12/see-level-rise-estimate-now-above-9-feet

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20200216/in-warren-planning-for-rising-sea-levels

As you can see, we are attempting to prepare for the bigger changes ahead. I would be surprised if the problems described for my region would really have any direct impact on Utah. But that does not mean that we in southern New England have no problems with climate change, (and right now, not simply decades from now, ask our fishing industry), just because Joe Bagadonuts has his hand on the pulse of climate and weather in Utah, and finds the skiing is fine and the tourists are happy.....

Now, I understand this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, apologies to the OP, and I don't really expect you to read the links, but, you brought it up, and I'm not going to sit here and say, "yeah, well as it goes in Utah, must also apply in southern New England". BTW, I know quite a few scientists in this region, working on these problems. I don't see any of them "melting down".

 

[AverageJoe]

Ladders are, in fact, being used extensively to scale border walls. They’re just not the extension ladders you imagine. Some are made from rope, but most are fashioned from rebar, cheap to make, and blend in nicely with the rust-colored border walls.

"Smugglers in Juárez have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. The ladders are the same rust brown color as the mesh panels or steel beams of the fence.”

"El Paso's urban stretch of border is littered with the rusted rebar ladders at the base on both sides — ladders lying in wait on the Mexican side, ladders pulled down by border agents or abandoned by smugglers on the U.S. side. One of the rebar ladders was poking out of a dumpster in a lot near the Chihuahuita neighborhood on Thursday.”

“The rebar ladders started turning up in large numbers in the El Paso sector last year in May, around the time that construction of the most recent replacement wall finished downtown. They've been a go-to method for scaling the fence in the urban footprint since.”

Full article from The El Paso Times here:

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...flage-ladder-to-cross-border-wall/4760798002/

Oh no we forgot about ladders! What an oversight! Planes exist? Really? Since when? Wright brothers you say? Oh they caught on did they? *****

 

[JazzyFresh]

Ladders are, in fact, being used extensively to scale border walls. They’re just not the extension ladders you imagine. Some are made from rope, but most are fashioned from rebar, cheap to make, and blend in nicely with the rust-colored border walls.

"Smugglers in Juárez have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. The ladders are the same rust brown color as the mesh panels or steel beams of the fence.”

"El Paso's urban stretch of border is littered with the rusted rebar ladders at the base on both sides — ladders lying in wait on the Mexican side, ladders pulled down by border agents or abandoned by smugglers on the U.S. side. One of the rebar ladders was poking out of a dumpster in a lot near the Chihuahuita neighborhood on Thursday.”

“The rebar ladders started turning up in large numbers in the El Paso sector last year in May, around the time that construction of the most recent replacement wall finished downtown. They've been a go-to method for scaling the fence in the urban footprint since.”

Full article from The El Paso Times here:

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...flage-ladder-to-cross-border-wall/4760798002/

Ok... I was more or less being facetious but by your own article.

Border Patrol apprehensions of single adults — those most likely to use the ladder method — have nearly doubled year over year in the El Paso.

Also what do suppose these people are "smuggling"? Whether it's drugs or humans your own article portrays something is being smuggled. Shouldn't that be a pretty damning reason we need as much protection as we can get? I'm not even for the wall but I do think protecting our borders is absolutely paramount.

 

[silesian]

Lolol he was talking specifically about "in the sun". The fact that people don't have the small amount of brain power to understand that is a bit scary. Grown *** adults looking for any reason to act stupid over the silliest of things. It's become a mental illness at this point.

We need to do a poll:

Do you believe that painting the fence black will slow the flow of illegal immigrants?

yes or no

Trump thinks yes.

Be brave, vote with the Donald.

 

[JazzyFresh]

We need to do a poll:

Do you believe that painting the fence black will slow the flow of illegal immigrants?

yes or no

Trump thinks yes.

Be brave, vote with the Donald.

de·ter·rent
/dəˈtərənt/
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noun

1. a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.

Regardless I don't think it's a big deal either way and I don't think Trump feels it's going to completely stop it. It was a simple observation that you crazies took completely out of context because you look for any little thing to make a deal out of. Extremely petty in my eyes but I see tons of that here.

 

[silesian]

And ROFL at a 30 foot ladder just being readily available. "Kids just take the bare essentials this is a long dangerous trek and Grandma, grab my 30 foot extension ladder please".

But Trump's the dumb one.

Unfortunately, smugglers and illegal immigrants are a lot smarter than you because they use ladders to go over Trump's impotent walls all the time.

https://www.newsweek.com/juarez-smu...bar-ladders-scale-mexican-border-wall-1487469

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/n...-climb-newly-replaced-Mexico-border-wall.html

 

[silesian]

de·ter·rent
/dəˈtərənt/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.

Regardless I don't think it's a big deal either way and I don't think Trump feels it's going to completely stop it. It was a simple observation that you crazies took completely out of context because you look for any little thing to make a deal out of. Extremely petty in my eyes but I see tons of that here.

Just imaging a guy who is smuggling 10 million dollars of cocaine into the US. He approaches the fence and says "it's too hot, I am deterred from doing this" He turn around, goes back and says "sorry, boss, the fence is hot, your drugs are never going to the US"

It's just an illustration of how you set aside your common sense and believe everything Trump says.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Just imaging a guy who is smuggling 10 million dollars of cocaine into the US. He approaches the fence and says "it's too hot, I am deterred from doing this" He turn around, goes back and says "sorry, boss, the fence is hot, your drugs are never going to the US"

It's just an illustration of how you set aside your common sense and believe everything Trump says.

Meh as I said what a dumb thing to cry about. I don't even care to waste me time with such a petty thing.

Trump’s Anti-Climb Paint
The paint that’s being applied to President Trump’s border wall is not the form of anti-climb paint that we are familiar with. Reports suggest that the paint is actually an external coating that’s being applied for aesthetic reasons but has been noted to have some anti-climb properties. It’s not a non-drying, greasy paint that is applied thickly above a height of 2.1 metres, which is what we use here in the UK.

Our anti-climb paint is widely used and recognised as an effective climbing deterrent. It’s non-toxic, so it doesn’t harm people or animals, and remains effective from minus 15 degrees celsius up to 35 degrees. When using anti-climb paint in the UK we recommend that appropriate warning signs are provided. If President Trump wants some real anti-climb paint that’s been verified as highly effective in a wide range of applications, we can help.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Unfortunately, smugglers and illegal immigrants are a lot smarter than you because they use ladders to go over Trump's impotent walls all the time.

https://www.newsweek.com/juarez-smu...bar-ladders-scale-mexican-border-wall-1487469

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/n...-climb-newly-replaced-Mexico-border-wall.html

Seemed to work fine

As previously reported by Newsweek, over 110 immigrants entered Arizona by scaling the wall with the help of a ladder. Agents detained the immigrants after they hit U.S. soil, but the smuggler who aided them returned to Mexico.

 

[silesian]

Meh as I said what a dumb thing to cry about. I don't even care to waste me time with such a petty thing.

Trump’s Anti-Climb Paint
The paint that’s being applied to President Trump’s border wall is not the form of anti-climb paint that we are familiar with. Reports suggest that the paint is actually an external coating that’s being applied for aesthetic reasons but has been noted to have some anti-climb properties. It’s not a non-drying, greasy paint that is applied thickly above a height of 2.1 metres, which is what we use here in the UK.

Our anti-climb paint is widely used and recognised as an effective climbing deterrent. It’s non-toxic, so it doesn’t harm people or animals, and remains effective from minus 15 degrees celsius up to 35 degrees. When using anti-climb paint in the UK we recommend that appropriate warning signs are provided. If President Trump wants some real anti-climb paint that’s been verified as highly effective in a wide range of applications, we can help.

That stuff's to stop a burglar from entering your personal property. He is deterred and breaks into the next house. It is not going to stop someone from entering an entire country.