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I think you meant “tolerance”, not standard.
The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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I think you meant “tolerance”, not standard.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-whistleblower-cia-officer-column/3778524002/
I completely agree. The fact that the president is talking like a mobster is just unbelievable to me. It’s a clear crime @Catchall, obstruction of justice. You just tolerate it because you’re part of a cult of personality. You’ll do anything to defend Great Leader.
And the fact that elected republicans aren’t taking this seriously is incredibly disappointing:
We really need to vote better people into government. People who faking governing seriously and aren’t just elected because they’re a clown show.
I completely agree. The fact that the president is talking like a mobster is just unbelievable to me. It’s a clear crime @Catchall, obstruction of justice. You just tolerate it because you’re part of a cult of personality. You’ll do anything to defend Great Leader.
And the fact that elected republicans aren’t taking this seriously is incredibly disappointing:
We really need to vote better people into government. People who faking governing seriously and aren’t just elected because they’re a clown show.
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You have a cordial phone conversation between Trump and Zelenskyy that you and other pro-impeach Dems are subjectively reading into. (Zelenskyy was the one who voluntarily brought up both corruption and meeting with Guliani. Meanwhile, Ukraine is already the subject of an active DOJ investigation, under Barr, related to the Crowdstrike server.)
You have Zelenskyy denying in a press conference yesterday that he was "pushed" or pressured by Trump.
You have the actual phone transcript and whistleblower complaint made public (not just to Congress), which undermines the claim that there was a cover-up.
If you think that's evidence to impeach a sitting president, I think you're reaching.
But then again, your mind was already made up a long time ago, before anything related to Ukraine ever surfaced.
I thought Romney was one of the Repubs who was "deeply troubled." Didn't you post that just a day or two ago?
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Yes, Romney was deeply troubled yesterday. And today he couldn’t get around to read the 9 page whistleblower complaint. Was the senate really busy today passing legislation?
You need an actual crime to take place in order to have any standard of criminality whatsoever.
Zombie
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If you completely ignore the months of pressure the Trump administration put on Ukraine, this single phone call might not look like much. You're completely dismissing all of the context surrounding it.
You are also making the mistake that a quid pro quo is necessary for what Trump did to be improper and illegal. That's simply not the case.
As far as the cover up goes, we now understand the whistle-blower raised his concern early in August, and alleged that the White House secured the transcript of this call, and others, in a code word secured computer system purely because they contained politically damaging information about the president. This also, is a crime. Finally we know that the DNI decided to make the decision to bring this whistle-blowers complaint to the primary people implicated in the scandal, instead of to congress.
You could pretty easily make that case that Trump is continuing to attempt to cover this up, by calling the whistle blower a spy and suggested we ought to treat him how we "used to treat spies and traitors." That sounds an awful lot like witness intimidation to me.
Zombie
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Soliciting foreign interference in an election is an actual crime, regardless of whether or not a quid pro quo is involved.
Zombie
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James Clapper? Lol, what a random name to pick out of a hat. First off, he is not and never was in the CIA. Secondly he's not in the White House and hasn't been since Obama left office in 2017.
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Obstruction of justice is also a crime. So hiding the original transcript on a different server, Barr’s attempt to kill the complaint, Trump’s initial denial, and now Trump’s request today to kill the whistleblower probably all constitutes as obstruction of justice.
Zombie
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I'm really getting a kick out of the idea that releasing the transcript after it became clear that the whistle-blower's complaint was going to be heard by congress makes it totally OK that Trump tried hiding it for months, while suppressing the complaint itself.
That's not how obstruction works geniuses.
That's not how obstruction works geniuses.