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silesian said:
I’m confused. I think he was insulting trump supporters and if are an independent and not a trump supporter, why would you be personally offended?
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He was talking specifically to me you idiot.

"It's supporters like you that I would consider a traitor."

PS I'm not offended. All I'm doing is pointing out how absolutely stupid it was. I know I'm not a traitor.
 
OK, so let's sum up what we know so far. Two businessmen helped Rudy Giuliani work the Ukrainians to investigate Biden at the request of Donald Trump. Those businessmen, who described themselves as part of Trump's legal team, were illegally funneling Russian money into Trump's campaign, as well as donating to some of his most staunch congressional defenders, including the Republican leader in the House.

Those businessmen wanted the removal of a career US ambassador to Ukraine because she was opposed to Ukraine replacing two members of their state owned gas company with those two men. Trump later removed that ambassador, and replaced her with a man who donated millions of dollars to his campaign and later inauguration fund.

Finally Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine to try to get their president to, again, work with Giuliani and others to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son.

The DOJ was aware of the investigation into the two businessmen for illegal campaign contributions, but declined to take any action when the whistleblower presented them with the complaint about Trump's phone call, which was related to the matter.

Yeah, this doesn't look like a criminal conspiracy at all.
 
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Zombie said:
OK, so let's sum up what we know so far. Two businessmen helped Rudy Giuliani work the Ukrainians to investigate Biden at the request of Donald Trump. Those businessmen were illegally funneling Russian money into Trump's campaign, as well as donating to some of his most staunch congressional defenders, including the Republican leader in the House.

Those businessmen wanted the removal of a career US ambassador to Ukraine because she was opposed to Ukraine replacing two members of their state owned gas company with those two men. Trump later removed that ambassador, and replaced her with a man who donated millions of dollars to his campaign and later inauguration fund.

Finally Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine to try to get their president to, again, work with Giuliani and others to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son.

The DOJ was aware of the investigation into the two businessmen for illegal campaign contributions, but declined to take any action when the whistleblower presented them with the complaint about Trump's phone call, which was related to the matter.

Yeah, this doesn't look like a criminal conspiracy at all.
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At least you admit it's a conspiracy.
 
JazzyFresh said:
When you say "this doesn't look like" you lose the idea that it's a fact. Things "looking like" is subjective thus it's a conspiracy until fact. Now if you said "this is a criminal conspiracy" you're opinion would hold weight.
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Thank you for this lesson on pedantry. I will take your words to heart.
 
Zombie said:
OK, so let's sum up what we know so far. Two businessmen helped Rudy Giuliani work the Ukrainians to investigate Biden at the request of Donald Trump. Those businessmen, who described themselves as part of Trump's legal team, were illegally funneling Russian money into Trump's campaign, as well as donating to some of his most staunch congressional defenders, including the Republican leader in the House.

Those businessmen wanted the removal of a career US ambassador to Ukraine because she was opposed to Ukraine replacing two members of their state owned gas company with those two men. Trump later removed that ambassador, and replaced her with a man who donated millions of dollars to his campaign and later inauguration fund.

Finally Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine to try to get their president to, again, work with Giuliani and others to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son.

The DOJ was aware of the investigation into the two businessmen for illegal campaign contributions, but declined to take any action when the whistleblower presented them with the complaint about Trump's phone call, which was related to the matter.

Yeah, this doesn't look like a criminal conspiracy at all.
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I guess I should add to this that we also know Rudy met with these two men in Dallas hours before they were intercepted by law enforcement with one way tickets out of the country.

That's not suspicious at all.
 
Zombie said:
OK, so let's sum up what we know so far. Two businessmen helped Rudy Giuliani work the Ukrainians to investigate Biden at the request of Donald Trump. Those businessmen, who described themselves as part of Trump's legal team, were illegally funneling Russian money into Trump's campaign, as well as donating to some of his most staunch congressional defenders, including the Republican leader in the House.

Those businessmen wanted the removal of a career US ambassador to Ukraine because she was opposed to Ukraine replacing two members of their state owned gas company with those two men. Trump later removed that ambassador, and replaced her with a man who donated millions of dollars to his campaign and later inauguration fund.

Finally Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine to try to get their president to, again, work with Giuliani and others to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son.

The DOJ was aware of the investigation into the two businessmen for illegal campaign contributions, but declined to take any action when the whistleblower presented them with the complaint about Trump's phone call, which was related to the matter.

Yeah, this doesn't look like a criminal conspiracy at all.
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I remember when liberals were screaming about how citizens united would invite foreigners to unjustly influence our elections. Conservatives including Justice Alito claimed we were merely being over dramatic. Remember? Justice Alito during the SOTU:

“Last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests, including foreign corporations, to spend without limits in our elections. I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities.”

Check out the videotape: Alito’s “not true” was spoken specifically in response to Obama’s claim about the risk of foreign influence in U.S. elections.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/21/justice-alito-you-owe-president-obama-an-apology/

Good times.
 
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