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none of those quotes support your claim.

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Well done. Fantastic way to end a conversation with someone who’s completely delusional. Honestly, I don’t know why anyone wastes their time with someone so closed to facts or reason. Your patience is admirable
 
I've seen you shut off posters that typically have detailed, considered opinions and offer an exchange of ideas.

I apologize if I’ve done that. If posters have reasoned posts, I try to read what they say. If they’re trolls, I shut them down. I think I do a pretty good job of listening to different opinions and have good conversations with those who want to.
 
They did say it. Did you read the transcript or not?
I read the transcript.* It did not say what you said it said.

"This is a president who is feeling the heat big time, after he made that outlandish, ridiculous comment yesterday that people could inject themselves potentially with household disinfectants as a cure for the coronavirus, and then tried to walk it back today by saying he was being sarcastic. That was obviously a lie. Earlier in the day, the White House press secretary put out a statement that didn't mention anything about sarcasm, just accused the press of taking things out of context."

I bolded part for emphasis. To me that seems accurate. Trump did suggest that people might be able to cure themselves by injecting with disinfectant. He didn't tell people to try this. And CNN didn't say that Trump told people to try this.

*full disclosure, I searched for the word "inject" and only read around those spots.
 
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Here is the entire transcript from the briefing in which Trump made his controversial comments regarding injection of disinfectants:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ers-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-31/

So, I wanted to know where Trump got the idea of injecting disinfectants. It may have come from how DHS official Bill Bryan worded his statement on disinfectant studies:

“We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.“

Is it possible Trump got his idea from the fact Bryan spoke of the effect of disinfectant on the virus when present in saliva or respiratory fluids?

Trump’s statement, after Bryan’s address to the press:

“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me”.

We also can’t ignore this exchange during the part of the briefing devoted to reporters questions:

Q But I — just, can I ask about — the President mentioned the idea of cleaners, like bleach and isopropyl alcohol you mentioned. There’s no scenario that that could be injected into a person, is there? I mean —

ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: No, I’m here to talk about the findings that we had in the study. We won’t do that within that lab and our lab. So —

THE PRESIDENT: It wouldn’t be through injection. We’re talking about through almost a cleaning, sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work. But it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object.

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So, in the end, Trump did say disinfectants would not be injected, but, I’m not actually sure what he is saying in the above statement. He seems to imply stationary surfaces, yet he did say “by injection inside”, prior to saying “it wouldn’t be through injection”.

He was winging it, trying to appear on top of things. I think it’s part of his “nobody knows better than me” habitual position. (See the “nobody knows better than me” compilation video earlier in this thread) Personally, I think he has always known he is not qualified to be president, and hence he often fakes it to mask that fact. It’s just that he does not often fool anybody in faking it, other than his base.

(Donald Trump is fundamentally insecure. Hence his all too frequent defensive outbursts, attacks on any press organization that does not praise him, adoption of a persecution (I am the victim) complex, etc. All can be traced to massive insecurity and his own understanding that he is not qualified to be president in the first place. This persecution, Deep State out to get me, complex also insures his followers can ignore any genuine substance in the media criticism against him.)

Finally,
Regarding these statements from CNN observers:

Wolfe Blitzer, "...the president knew he was about to be bombarded with very serious, important questions about what he said yesterday, which turned out to be a flat lie, as far as ingesting and -- various products that could kill you, potentially."

Jim Acosta, "This is a president who is feeling the heat big time, after he made that outlandish, ridiculous comment yesterday that people could inject themselves potentially with household disinfectants as a cure for the coronavirus."

Sanjay Gupta, "The president specifically suggested that potentially injecting some sort of disinfectant into your body might be a possible way to deal with coronavirus."

Compared to Trump’s initial disinfectant statements, Gupta’s observation appears spot on. The other two statements by Blitzer and Acosta certainly seem to reflect the spirit of Trump’s statement, although “ingesting”, and “inject themselves” were not spoken by Trump.
 
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I apologize if I’ve done that. If posters have reasoned posts, I try to read what they say. If they’re trolls, I shut them down. I think I do a pretty good job of listening to different opinions and have good conversations with those who want to.

I'm referring to infection, specifically. He my have firm opinions on many things, but he'll discuss them reasonably and rationally.
 
I'm referring to infection, specifically. He my have firm opinions on many things, but he'll discuss them reasonably and rationally.

That hasn’t been my experience. And at the end of the day, no one is obligated to discuss with anyone else. Just because Infection wants to waste my time doesn’t mean that I’m obligated to. He’s still free to post and discuss with others who desire to talk to him, so I’m not sure what exactly I shut down.
 
What's funny is that either Political Jazz Fan or Thriller think that posting far-left or far-right tweets are going to influence anyone on this forum.

If you like Trump, you're voting for him in November. If you like Biden, you're voting for him in November. I just don't see a wide pool of people who hem and haw and can't decide between either of them as politically, they're nothing alike.
 
What's funny is that either Political Jazz Fan or Thriller think that posting far-left or far-right tweets are going to influence anyone on this forum.

If you like Trump, you're voting for him in November. If you like Biden, you're voting for him in November. I just don't see a wide pool of people who hem and haw and can't decide between either of them as politically, they're nothing alike.

There's no influencing the close minded.
 
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