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Sadly we all know the outcome of this trial. Doesn't matter how good or bad the defense team or prosecution does. Doesn't matter what evidence is presented.
He will be acquitted.

There could be a video of trump meeting with the people who stormed the capital with him handing out schematics of the capital and tell them where security is the weakest.

Republican senators would still vote to acquit.

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colton said:



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It's ironic that African American police officers risked their lives to save all these Republicans so Republicans can:
One cannot help but wonder by the lack of seriousness that Republicans are treating this if it actually would've been better for the long-term health of the country if Donald's insurrectionists had been successful at capturing a few of their targets?

Would Republicans be taking this more seriously if the world had seen Romney or Pence at the end of this?

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The Thriller said:
It's ironic that African American police officers risked their lives to save all these Republicans so Republicans can:
One cannot help but wonder by the lack of seriousness that Republicans are treating this if it actually would've been better for the long-term health of the country if Donald's insurrectionists had been successful at capturing a few of their targets?

Would Republicans be taking this more seriously if the world had seen Romney or Pence at the end of this?

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I have had that same thought.
Only a few nobodies died so who cares right?
Maybe if one of their own was captured and killed they would vote to convict.
I doubt it though.

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babe said:
I didn't see any real urgency in his remarks. He's been talking like that, knowing he's on the outside of real power, all through his campaign. That's why he did his campaign doing multiple rallies every day for weeks. Maybe he thought he could get enough votes to overcome the cheating/steal he knew, and said was going on, but he didn't have a path to stop it.

Basically, he was trying to hang on the crowd.

I looked carefully at the available videos of the crowd at the speech and at the capitol. I saw inciters there in both places.

The FBI....... and I'm amazed at that.....,and the investigations into the arrested participants....... are showing that the actual violence was pre-planned, but there is so far no connection of that to Trump. Weeks in advance, authorities knew about the plans, and monitored the plans....... but did nothing.

Trump was not told. No one has come forward yet to say "We told Trump". Members of House were told, and were telling each other.

Trump's idea of trying to get the election at the electoral college depended on getting institutional support, some court victory he never got. People like Barr and even Pence were not "In" on that cause. In the end he knew even Mike Lee wasn't "In", and the folks who were concerned about the count, like Cruz, were only going to ask for a delay, to set up an independent commission to evaluate the vote issues.

No one thought Trump and his supporters were just going to walk over to the Capitol and take over the country.

Trump said he would "be there too", but his motor cade went the other way.

I wouldn't have been there if I believed it was the only way to save human liberty. Saying you'd be there if you believed it just sounds a bit...... well..... unhinged.

Our country has been owned by the interests for a damn long time already. Nothing has changed with Biden's victory over Trump. Trump didn't get the institutional support that was and is necessary to lead this country, but he got in front of a whole damn lot of folks who aren't happy with the way things are.

Almost all Trump supporters went home from the speech. The violence started even before Trump said "fight". Even Mark Levin is cutting people off the air if they get on his show with some false pretense comment then say it was Antifa or BLM. Those organizations are not just unhinged, they are expertly managed, which proves something more than an organic grass roots program. There is no known connection we can prove to those organizations for the violence at the capitol.

Organizations with claimed conservative ideals also had no organized presence. The plans for violence were developed through Facebook, and sucked in some of the right-wing nutjobs, but they used ages old political agitator tactics. Well, right wing crazies generally don'[t have that kind of strategy. They are ignoramuses who don't read the news, let alone serious works on political strategies. It was a sucker job on the right, and it exploited Chump Trump's naivete. It was an organized tactical project to discredit Trump.

I wasn't smart enough to see it coming. Trump didn't see it coming.

But the political advantage is unraveling as more comes out day by day from the investigations. In the end, this project will become a huge public failure, and people will reject it.

Time to just settle in for solving the real problems we have.
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You ought to be a novelist, Babe, with that imagination. If you believe what you wrote is true, you need counseling.
 
leftyjace said:
I am so discouraged.
How did Utah end up with one ethical senator and one idiot one?
Mike Lee needs to be primary'd out.
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Mike Lee is one of the biggest assholes in the Senate and there are quite a few of them. Yet he easily gets elected because he is LDS. Like the Repugs who put party over country, LDS members need to put their religion aside when they vote.
 
leftyjace said:
I am so discouraged.
How did Utah end up with one ethical senator and one idiot one?
Mike Lee needs to be primary'd out.
Calling Jon Huntsman Jr...
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If it makes you feel any better when trump was running for president in 2015 Mike lee hated him and didn't vote for him.

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You'd have better luck winning Powerball than finding 17 R senators who are going to vote to impeach. The majority don't even think it's constitutional so even if they believe he incited it, they won't vote to acquit. The cake is baked and example #1,463 of how spineless these folks are.

My guess would be that the final vote ends up around 54-46 - I think Romney, Sasse, Murkowski and Toomey vote to impeach. Collins will chicken out like she always does.

It honestly doesn't matter - Donald isn't going to run in 2024. Donny Jr. is going to be his puppet to continue his father's reign of douchiness.

What's crazy is if they would have delayed evacuating the chamber by 2-3 minutes, it's likely that we would have had a few politicians beaten or killed. Not everyone, but a few would have been caught in the quagmire. And if that would have happened, I think the outcome of this trial would be vastly different. But the lives of civilians and police officers unfortunately get treated different.
 
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Avery said:
You'd have better luck winning Powerball than finding 17 R senators who are going to vote to impeach. The majority don't even think it's constitutional so even if they believe he incited it, they won't vote to acquit. The cake is baked and example #1,463 of how spineless these folks are.

My guess would be that the final vote ends up around 54-46 - I think Romney, Sasse, Murkowski and Toomey vote to impeach. Collins will chicken out like she always does.

It honestly doesn't matter - Donald isn't going to run in 2024. Donny Jr. is going to be his puppet to continue his father's reign of douchiness.

What's crazy is if they would have delayed evacuating the chamber by 2-3 minutes, it's likely that we would have had a few politicians beaten or killed. Not everyone, but a few would have been caught in the quagmire. And if that would have happened, I think the outcome of this trial would be vastly different. But the lives of civilians and police officers unfortunately get treated different.
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fishonjazz said:
Sadly we all know the outcome of this trial. Doesn't matter how good or bad the defense team or prosecution does. Doesn't matter what evidence is presented.
He will be acquitted.

There could be a video of trump meeting with the people who stormed the capital with him handing out schematics of the capital and tell them where security is the weakest.

Republican senators would still vote to acquit.

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It is blind partisan politics. Every side has their leadership's junk so far down their throats they can't breathe without permission. The fact that you are seeing even a few republicans breaking ranks is a sign of how deadly serious and real this all is. But not enough can bring themselves to step away from the line that confirms their biases, and gets them re-elected. They are forced to toe the line. They believe that is the only way to win, and winning at all costs is the only thing that matters, it is the only thing that has mattered in a really long time in our country. And it is very very sad.
 
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