The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Deleted member 365]

So, you chose one of the most extreme comparisons you could find, in an effort to make a point about Russia and Italy?

This is what I meant earlier about your letting your categories define your realities, rather than the realities define the categories. There is so much more that goes into who is a greater threat than GDP.

But that would mean:

1. Actually knowing the subject matter well rather than a tidbit of information they liked.
2. Being open and honest about the subject matter instead of proving one preconceived point.

I don’t know how you and @Red continue to “debate” people who have no desire to be honest or informed on anything they’re commenting on. It’s admirable despite my inability to understand what you get out of it.

 

[One Brow]

I don’t know how you and @Red continue to “debate” people who have no desire to be honest. It’s admirable despite my inability to understand what you get out of it.

I see Al-O-Meter differently than you.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I see Al-O-Meter differently than you.

I guess but i don’t see anything fundamentally different between he, Jazzy, Hack or any of the other trolls who seem addicted to being as low information and obnoxious as possible on this forum.

 

[Red]

I don’t know how you and @Red continue to “debate” people who have no desire to be honest or informed on anything they’re commenting on. It’s admirable despite my inability to understand what you get out of it.

Well, I’ve never seen him as a troll. But, some of the things he focuses on, in his replies to links I post, do puzzle me. I would not have thought the Surgeon General of the United States urging citizens, in his remarks yesterday, to “follow the science” might be the equivalent of saying people should treat science itself as a deity “to be followed”. So, yeah, an observation like that leaves me wondering how do I respond to such an interpretation? And I do see that “thinks differently” with his replies at times, namely, emphasizing things, or interpreting statements, in ways that would not occur to me. When this forces me to reconsider my own position, that can be a good thing, but sometimes I just don’t understand why the point being offered is being offered at all. I do understand your frustration, but I just think the man’s mind works differently than my own.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

There is so much more that goes into who is a greater threat than GDP.

The term I used was 'capable', not 'greater threat'.

My point wasn’t about Russia and Italy at all. My point was in how we, the United States, pretend Russia is so much more powerful than they actually are. They aren’t Ivan Drago hunting the Red October while plotting the Red Dawn invasion. It is 2021. They are entertaining dashcam videos with an economy smaller than Italy’s and led by a 5’5” guy in platform shoes who sounds like our 80’s movies. That is reality. The myth of Russia being a master manipulator of world politics is cartoonishly ridiculous. There is only one and a half of those on the world stage right now and Russia isn’t the one or the half.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Irony is dead. Just dead.

Spoiler: Language

 

[Deleted member 365]

America first, right??? I mean what’s more patriotic than booing your country’s team at the Olympics? Trumpers are such **** wads

 

[Deleted member 365]

America first!!! Amiright???

 

[Deleted member 365]

This seems illegal:



Read the article, it explains why republicans are working so hard to control individual state election boards. That way the next time this happens, they can declare their state elections void and kick it to someone else (controlled by Repubs) to decide.

 

[Red]

 

[Harambe]

This seems illegal:



Read the article, it explains why republicans are working so hard to control individual state election boards. That way the next time this happens, they can declare their state elections void and kick it to someone else (controlled by Repubs) to decide.

I'm certainly not in a position declare legality, but it feels unethical.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Didn’t want to start a new thread over this. But this is a major problem. Whether it’s with elections, presidential behavior, or Covid misinformation. Americans are doing the work of our foreign adversaries because we’ve become so partisan as a society and clickbait media and outrage social media thrives on salacious and often inaccurate information.

This really complicated matters for governing and security.

The problem is not only the outgrowth of the peculiar climate created by Donald Trump—however simple and satisfying such an explanation might be. Think, for a moment, about why the Russian state indulges in this kind of activity, year in and year out, despite the political costs and the risk of sanctions: Because it’s very cheap, it’s very easy, and a lot of evidence suggests that it works.For decades now, Russian security services have studied a concept called “reflexive control”—the science of how to get your enemies to make mistakes. To be successful, practitioners must first analyze their opponents deeply, to understand where they get their information and why they trust it; then they need to find ways of playing with those trusted sources, in order to insert errors and mistakes. This way of thinking has huge implications for the military; consider how a piece of incorrect information might get a general to make a mistake. But it works in politics too. The Russian security services have now studied us and worked out (it probably wasn’t very hard) that large numbers of Americans—not only Fox News pundits and OANN broadcasters but also members of Congress—are very happy to accept sensational information, however tainted, from any source that happens to provide it. As long as it suits their partisan frames, and as long as it can be used against their opponents, they don’t care who invented it or for what purpose.

The Science of Making Americans Hurt Their Own Country

A new report lays bare why Russian disinformation succeeds.

www.theatlantic.com