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The Official Please Retire Jerry Sloan Thread

As one of Jerry's largest critics the last couple of years, I can honestly say I have been impressed with some of what I have seen behind the scenes this year regarding the coaching of players. That is all.
 
go4jazz said:
As one of Jerry's largest critics the last couple of years, I can honestly say I have been impressed with some of what I have seen behind the scenes this year regarding the coaching of players. That is all.
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This is all? My ***. Impressed with what...do tell please.
 
go4jazz said:
As one of Jerry's largest critics the last couple of years, I can honestly say I have been impressed with some of what I have seen behind the scenes this year regarding the coaching of players. That is all.
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Did you see the P90X thread in the general forum?
 
twentytwo said:
This thread comes back every year verbatim while we are struggling.

Still makes me chuckle, though.
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Agreed.
Just like all of the owners in the NBA, replace the coach and the struggles go away??
Prime example Dallas?
Many new coaches since getting Dirk Nowitski, and they still can't get over the hump.
 
friendsinmyhead said:
We have been told countless times that Sloan is able to get the most out of the players given to him. I would argue that Sloan is not getting the most out of this group of players. Some will say that it is not Sloan's fault that the players are not doing their jobs. But I would argue that it is absolutely his fault. It is his job to mesh the players and talent. Some will argue that this team is full of new players that are still getting to know the system. I would argue that we are not making progress and in fact it seems we are regressing.
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It's idiotic to say it's entirely Sloans fault. It's amazing how some fans think they know everything, and think they could do a better job! A coach can teach offense and preach defense and motivate all they want, but the players have to choose to listen to the coach choose to be invested in the team concept, choose to be motivated and so forth.

You will be hard pressed to find as many coaches who've been as successful as Sloan sure he hasn't won it all but, one could argue that he went up against the greatest player of all time, and fell short. How many teams have beaten him. Jordan even went on to say the jazz gave his Bulls their toughest challenge. Has Sloan won it all? No, has he won coach of the year? No, what makes a great coach is someone who stands the test of time! Many coaches who've won a championship or who've won coach of the year have flamed out a year or two later. It is my opinion that the Jazz would not be hear if not for Sloan. He deserves to be here till he deems it a career.
 
Count me in. Obviously, you can pin blame on the players because it's their job to play. But good coaches get the most out of their players and that's frankly not what I'm seeing on the floor. Sloan's system is outdated and everyone knows how to beat the Jazz nowadays - be faster, more athletic or just play hard and jack up 3's. Can't fire the players - might as well try to find somebody that can get the most out of the players we've got. Sloan's been coaching from the back seat for a few years now anyway.
 
unluckyseventeen said:
Count me in. Obviously, you can pin blame on the players because it's their job to play. But good coaches get the most out of their players and that's frankly not what I'm seeing on the floor. Sloan's system is outdated and everyone knows how to beat the Jazz nowadays - be faster, more athletic or just play hard and jack up 3's. Can't fire the players - might as well try to find somebody that can get the most out of the players we've got. Sloan's been coaching from the back seat for a few years now anyway.
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Doesn't that fall under the category of the general manager. As I recall the Jazz were winning earlier in the year they weren't pretty wins but wins. One might say Sloan was getting the most out of inferior talent. Fast forward to today can you honestly say that the players are giving 100% I think not. Pblayers deserve some of the blame.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Agreed.
Just like all of the owners in the NBA, replace the coach and the struggles go away??
Prime example Dallas?
Many new coaches since getting Dirk Nowitski, and they still can't get over the hump.
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But the Jazz have had the same coach for 23 years. WHy are you scared to try something new? Why are you unwilling to support a risk that "might" pay off? I realize the unknown is scary.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Doesn't that fall under the category of the general manager. As I recall the Jazz were winning earlier in the year they weren't pretty wins but wins. One might say Sloan was getting the most out of inferior talent. Fast forward to today can you honestly say that the players are giving 100% I think not. Pblayers deserve some of the blame.
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Like I said, are you going to fire the players? Sloan's been on his way out for a while now.

50-win seasons and maybe a couple playoff wins are fun, sure, but not when you get it every single damn year. The only thing that's been consistent with that is Sloan. I want a coach that is up to date and knows how to change his system to benefit new faces, instead of jamming different guys into the same role and hoping for the best.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
It's idiotic to say it's entirely Sloans fault. It's amazing how some fans think they know everything, and think they could do a better job! A coach can teach offense and preach defense and motivate all they want, but the players have to choose to listen to the coach choose to be invested in the team concept, choose to be motivated and so forth.

You will be hard pressed to find as many coaches who've been as successful as Sloan sure he hasn't won it all but, one could argue that he went up against the greatest player of all time, and fell short. How many teams have beaten him. Jordan even went on to say the jazz gave his Bulls their toughest challenge. Has Sloan won it all? No, has he won coach of the year? No, what makes a great coach is someone who stands the test of time! Many coaches who've won a championship or who've won coach of the year have flamed out a year or two later. It is my opinion that the Jazz would not be hear if not for Sloan. He deserves to be here till he deems it a career.
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I dont think Ive ever said its completely Sloan fault. To be sure the players are to share some of the responsibility but since we've change myriad players since Ive been watching (1992) why not change the coach? Why can you, for one second, entertain the thought that Sloans time has passed and that the game has changed and that Sloan is from a bygone era? WHy is that so hard to fathom or understand?

Why does anyone get to decide when they want to quit? Its that egotistical thinking that ruins organizations...the one person is above the franchise.
 
friendsinmyhead said:
We have been told countless times that Sloan is able to get the most out of the players he hand-picks for his system. I would argue that Sloan is not getting the most out of this group of players. Some will say that it is not Sloan's fault that the players are not doing their jobs. But I would argue that it is absolutely his fault. It is his job to mesh the players and talent. Some will argue that this team is full of new players that are still getting to know the system. I would argue that we are not making progress and in fact it seems we are regressing.
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First off, I fixed it for you.

Secondly, maybe he is. Minny was not too hard to convince to move AJ. Could be they knew something we didn't and that he would hamper Love's development. Maybe they knew the two could not play together and now we are doing the same thing with Sap.

Also, which of our players outside of Deron is really capable of much more? Anyone really think CJ, Hayward, AK, Memo, Fes, et al would be all-stars and MVP candidates elsewhere? I posit that he IS getting the most out of some of these players. We know from seasons past that playing within Sloan's system can cover up a lot of a player's flaws (Shandon Anderson, B Russ, Jacque Vaughn all spring to mind as being better with sloan than without). I think Sloan gets a lot out of sub-standard players in general.

But there is the rub. We pick players that fit within that system. So we get sub-standard players who "work hard" or fit in some way that maybe only Sloan can see, then we get them to do better than they would elsewhere. This is a big reason why every team is so similar, and the results are too.

I do not question Sloan's system per se, but rather his choice of who to plug into that system and how he adjusts (or fails to) when the system or the players just are not performing.

And I think he is slipping in both of those areas and the NBA is passing him by. i agree with you that we have not been making progress and it is time for Sloan to hang up the hat.
 
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