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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Thank god we have brave Ukrainians fighting Russia then. All we have to do is supply them with weapons and they can wear down and defeat one of the world’s greatest threats? Fantastic!
 
One Brow said:
Russia attacking Japan sounds too crazy to be true, frankly.
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Agreed. Until I think about who is the leader of russia. He crazy.
 
Rubashov said:
Im interested to see what the Challengers do once they get to the front.
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They won't make any difference. There aren't enough of them being delivered to Ukraine. The only hope is that they are a foot in the door and if Russia doesn't start WW3 over 14 Challengers, then it probably won't start WW3 over 21 Challengers. And if it didn't start WW3 over 21 Challengers then it probably won't start WW3 over 35 Challengers, etc., etc. In various deserts in the United States, we have nearly 4,000 older generation Abrams tanks in long term storage. If we shipped a thousand of them to Ukraine and protected the fuel pipelines into the area to make sure they could stay fueled, that would make a difference. However, going from zero American tanks straight to a thousand American tanks might start WW3.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
They won't make any difference. There aren't enough of them being delivered to Ukraine. The only hope is that they are a foot in the door and if Russia doesn't start WW3 over 14 Challengers, then it probably won't start WW3 over 21 Challengers. And if it didn't start WW3 over 21 Challengers then it probably won't start WW3 over 35 Challengers, etc., etc. In various deserts in the United States, we have nearly 4,000 older generation Abrams tanks in long term storage. If we shipped a thousand of them to Ukraine and protected the fuel pipelines into the area to make sure they could stay fueled, that would make a difference. However, going from zero American tanks straight to a thousand American tanks might start WW3.
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I think the British only have around 200 serviceable Challengers anyway, is it 60 Leopard 2s that are also getting deployed? That's closing in on 100 western tanks in theatre.
 
Rubashov said:
I think the British only have around 200 serviceable Challengers anyway, is it 60 Leopard 2s that are also getting deployed? That's closing in on 100 western tanks in theatre.
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A hundred main battle tanks is better than not having a hundred main battle tanks, but so far the real difference makers are the smaller pieces delivered in massive numbers, such as the Javelin and NLAW anti-tank weapons, and especially the RAAM 155mm howitzer shells that turned the open ground south of Vuhledar into a Russian graveyard which has so far prevented the encirclement of Avdiivka. The RAAM shells were so effective at creating instant minefields the Russians gave up using tanks there and marched in infantry without any armor support.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
A hundred main battle tanks is better than not having a hundred main battle tanks, but so far the real difference makers are the smaller pieces delivered in massive numbers, such as the Javelin and NLAW anti-tank weapons, and especially the RAAM 155mm howitzer shells that turned the open ground south of Vuhledar into a Russian graveyard which has so far prevented the encirclement of Avdiivka. The RAAM shells were so effective at creating instant minefields the Russians gave up using tanks there and marched in infantry without any armor support.
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Be interesting to see how they are utilised and if they can be effective in combined arms missions. Ukrainian's cavalry and infantry have been doing a heap of training in the UK, be interesting to see the effect.
 
Rubashov said:
Be interesting to see how they are utilised and if they can be effective in combined arms missions. Ukrainian's cavalry and infantry have been doing a heap of training in the UK, be interesting to see the effect.
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I’d really like to see longer range artillery given to Ukraine. I understood the caution initially but not anymore.
 
The Thriller said:
I’d really like to see longer range artillery given to Ukraine. I understood the caution initially but not anymore.
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Modern artillery will definitely help but its not going to allow break throughs like armour. we've sent them a bunch of our bushmasters 200+ I believe

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These are basically infantry mobility vehicles but they've been using them in a combat support role, we deploy our infantry in bushmasters with ASLAVs for fire support for the infantry.

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increased mechanisation is what they need to break the deadlock.
 
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