The Official: Swallow your pride front office and trade Conley for Love

[Truth]

Imagine Bogey and Love playing side by side and thinking it's a good idea.

I'm assuming that you are implying that the defense would be bad, but if it could work that might be the best 3 point shooting team in history.

 

[Mongoose]

Imagine Bogey and Love playing side by side and thinking it's a good idea.

I'm assuming that you are implying that the defense would be bad, but if it could work that might be the best 3 point shooting team in history.

He might be right about this one, but I think Bogey can run the PNR and he and Joe seem to work pretty good together. Bogey to a lesser degree than Joe can run the PNR, drive, pass out, and distribute. I think Love/Bogey might be similar to Bogey/Joe in the lineup.

 

[jom2003]

You're right, I don't get it. I don't get this love affair with Conley. Take away his horrific contract. If he and Mudiay were wearing nameless jerseys and basing their decision solely on play, who here would actually play Conley over Mudiay? I'll wait.

Conley absolutely doesn't raise our ceiling. He actually lowers it. He's such a ball-dominant guard that he hinders Mitchell and Jingles. Notice how Jingles' play has gone in the crapper since Conley has come back. He's so short that playing he and Mitchell together make us a defensive liability.

People here need to stop drinking the Locke-aid and use their ****ing heads. Conley is not the "missing piece" you were sold a few months ago. He's arguably our biggest problem.

Finally someone who realize the truth. Conley and the grit n grind Grizz are the very definition of "high floor low ceiling" typa team. Conley is the absolute opposite of the player that would raise a team's "ceiling". If you wanna just linger around first/second round in the playoffs every year or a conference finals sweep with some luck, then you get Conley. But we were already there last two seasons. Not to mention the Conley that people used to know and the grit n grind is already over

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Finally someone who realize the truth. Conley and the grit n grind Grizz are the very definition of "high floor low ceiling" typa team. Conley is the absolute opposite of the player that would raise a team's "ceiling". If you wanna just linger around first/second round in the playoffs every year or a conference finals sweep with some luck, then you get Conley. But we were already there last two seasons. Not to mention the Conley that people used to know and the grit n grind is already over

The game has also changed. The prototypical point guard nowadays is either a lights-out shooter like Curry/Lillard/Trae, or a super-versatile combo guard with size, length and the ability to get on top of the rim, like Ja/SGA/Mitchell.

 

[yamers]

Id love to have jae crowder back and derick favors...conley trade ****ed us out of both of them.

****in pisses me off

 

[gregbroncs]

They love getting point guards from us so what's one more? We need more rebounding, Mudiay is at least 5x better than Conley, and Love can shoot the 3.

**** that! Love is not the answer.

 

[latin jazz]

The game has also changed. The prototypical point guard nowadays is either a lights-out shooter like Curry/Lillard/Trae, or a super-versatile combo guard with size, length and the ability to get on top of the rim, like Ja/SGA/Mitchell.

Not sure. The Raptors did pretty well by playing Lowry/Van Vleet together in the playoffs.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trading Conley for bench pieces is not risky. It's dumb.

Trading Conley for CP3 would be risky and I'm all for it.

It is all about ceiling which is what a lot of people here like @The Thriller don't get. They are too focused on s*** like pay compared to production which is meaningless when you're a contending team. No contender out there is 40 mill under the cap with nothing but rookie scale deals. It's not 2k.

CP3 would give us a higher possible ceiling than Conley. Bench pieces would give us a significantly lower ceiling. Mudiay gives us a lower ceiling.

Unless conley continues to perform the way he has so far. If that happens then mudiay increases our ceiling (in comparison to how Conley is playing) and Conley lowers it.

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[fishonjazz]

I think, practically speaking, the Jazz might be able to move Conley to New York for Randle and Portis. They could then *maybe* send Randle to OKC with a pick for Schroeder. That second part may be a stretch. That would give the Jazz a backup PG who is as effective as Conley at half the cost and give us a backup 4/5, whose next year isn't fully guaranteed. It would free up some money to re-sign Clarkson, which I'm guessing they want to do.

Conley could go to NY, help them establish a system with Barrett and Robinson, and be the perfect NBA citizen, which appears to be something that franchise needs.

Conley needs the ball in his hands and needs to be the center of attack to really be effective. He needs to play off of screen action. He also needs a lot of touches to get himself into a rhythm. Yet the Jazz as a whole are more effective when Mitchell and Ingles are running the offense. It's an awkward fit, and Conley isn't as versatile as people thought, especially playing off the ball.

If the Jazz could turn Conley and a pick or two into Schroeder and Portis, that would be a pretty good move.

I think the Jazz could also improve their defense a bit by picking up GRIII from Golden State.

Would be amazing if we could get Schroeder out of conley

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[jom2003]

Not sure. The Raptors did pretty well by playing Lowry/Van Vleet together in the playoffs.

It worked cuz they had Siakam and Kawhi on the floor providing that extra length and athleticism. To play midget backcourt you need sizeable wings who could cover that extra ground or else your defense is absolutely gonna suck as opponents can just lob over you or shoot over you, like what we've seen in the last three games. If that's still not convincing enough, look at how much Portland's struggling on D this year with the CJ/lillard combo since they've lost aminu and harkless.

If Rudy doesn't come out and help, and our midget combo struggles on defending switches off of pick n roll, we are pretty much screwed.

 

[whatthe]

Utah > Minnesota > Orlando.

Can we swing a trade to get AG from Orlando???!?

 

[latin jazz]

So because we don't want a player being left open by design and hurt our offense, we wanna bring in a player who's forcing contested and ill-advised shots early in the shot clock that goes everything against our offensive flow? I mean, have you seen all those awkward iso/hero ball garbage that Conley threw up? Mudiay maybe a bad shooter but Conley isn't doing himself any justice with all these unconvincing plays either. We have zero doubt on FO's decision of going away from Rubio cuz his poor shooting did hurt our offense. But Conley is the wrong answer to address that issue. He just doesn't fit into our offense and his game will not translate

Where are you getting that from? He is not forcing ill-advised shots early in the shot clock and ruining the offense. Get your facts right.

Per nba.com, Conley attempts 25% of his shoots are classified as 'early' or 'very early' on the shot clock. 75% were 'average', 'late' or 'very late'. Of those early shoots, 73% were either at the rim or a 3. In terms of how contested his attempts are: 15% were 'very tight' or 'tight' (defender between 2-4 feet).

For comparisons sake, 28% of Donovans attempts are early or very early. 18.6% of Donovan attempts are highly contested. Clarkson and Joe Ingles sit at 32% in early/very early attempts. Clarkson tries slightly more than 19% contested shoots.

Conley inability to make open shoots (ones that he usually made and now is missing) is the real history. On that we can probably agree. But the narrative that he is hijacking the offense is not true.