The official unfortunate keepings of the 5th pick.
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I think it will make us better as well. But better long term than some form of a Favors for Wiggins deal? Nope.
framer
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Yep, I'm over it. Ready to draft Gordon and keep our assets. I'm not convinced he won't be one of the best 3 in the draft when all is said and done. I would like to add one more pick a little earlier than 23rd. Now if Orlando Selects Gordon leaving us a choice between a broken Embiid and Vonleh I will likely rage quit the draft.
Sexual Favors
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If A-God is as dedicated as he seems, his shot will improve. If his shot improves, he will be better than Wiggins. Book it.
BENTLEY
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Thank you for articulating what I've been thinking. Even Wiggins offense is said to be in need of improvement. I don't know if he'll ever get the drive Gordon already possesses.
Coach Ellis
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I hope they get Gordon. He's special. Oozes athleticism and confidence. Plays defense. Genuinely seems to want to be here. And will work his *** off to be the best player he can be.
I see him as being an Aaron Rodgers type that plays with a chip on his shoulder, even if it's more imagined than real.
I think he's going to go out there and work to prove all the prognosticators flat out wrong. He desperately wants to be the best. You can't teach that. You can't bottle it up and sell it in a fat contract. You can't pull it out of thin air. That drive with his type of athleticism is a rare and valuable thing. If he lives up to his potential, he's a top 3 player (if not the top player) from this draft.
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Stifle Tower
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Agree, but there's a point at which the price becomes just too high. I think Favors, the #5 and their choice of Burks OR the #23 OR a protected pick is actually very high, but would do it. Go back to 2005 when there were a clear top-4. Bogut was viewed as a franchise center. Marvin had "potential" oozing out of every pore. Deron and CP3 were franchise PG's. So what did Utah give up to move from #6 to #3 (i.e. from drafting a 2nd-tier player to the "perennial all-star/franchise player" territory)? Their #6, the #27 and a future 1st. The offer to Cleveland is better than that: the #5, #23, Favors (top-10 value) AND an additional player or pick. Cleveland is posturing. Neither the deals with Afflalo nor Young are better than what Utah has offered. If they think they can get LBJ, they need a starter at the #5. If they don't, they take Wiggins and plug him in at the wing. But good luck with an aging Varejao or re-signing Matador Hawes. Best bet at that point would be to help Houston get Lebron or Carmelo by trading for Asik.
I'm comfortable with Exum or Vonleh if one of them slips to 5. If Philly or Milwaukee takes Exum, then Smart might go #4 to Orlando, leaving Vonleh at 5. If we take Aaron Gordon, I'll try to talk myself into being excited, but I think he's a step down--basically a rich man's Shane Battier. I'd still take Randle ahead of Gordon, even if that means trading Kanter for another asset.
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good post.
people love to talk about his athleticism, which is great, but to me the best things about him are his intangibles.
attitude, drive, passion, heart, hustle, coachable, seems fine being in utah, good teammate.
those are what i like best about him
I agree with this. FWIW, if Philly is offering 3, 10 and Thad Young, that's noticeably better than Orlando's offer of 4, 12 and Afflalo. The fact that the Cavs are crowing to the press about Orlando's offer makes it look like posturing to me. They're obviously trying to create a bidding war. Utah may give in at the last minute, but I hope they offer 23 rather than Burks.
Thee Jazz Fan
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Every 18 to 19 to 20 year old is in need of improvement some however are better then others, and Gordon is a hemisphere behind most. I'm sure he will become adequate spot up guy, but he'll never be able to figure out how to shoot on the move. And that will hinder him his entire career, and keep him from being a #'s 1 or 2 option on offense much like our Gordon.
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Please don't talk yourself into Gordon over Wiggins. This "drive" thing is getting a bit overbaked.
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probably right
Yeah, eventually he'd be better if he worked on his game a lot and Wiggins didn't work on his game and ate donuts for every meal. Right now, the gap is quite significant.
Stifle Tower
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If there is another trade brewing for a starting SF, I could see the Jazz trading down. Might not be able to do it until after the draft though, since salaries can't come off the books right now and UFA/RFA's can't be traded. That would be the intent of a trade, IMO; if another team wants to use the cap space we'll have to pursue a FA. McBuckets would be a good selection in the 9-12 range. Probably never going to be a starter, but he'll be a helluva 6th man.
BENTLEY
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I think I already have. I mean, I'd take Wiggins before Gordon if it didn't cost so much to do so. But I'm not sure which will be better tttt.
Coach Ellis
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I can't see him moving down. Drafting in the top 5 is so much more likely to produce an All-Star player that you should never trade down when you're this high in the draft - especially at the rookie pay scale. Look at what Lillard is getting paid. You take your best rated player and then do everything you can to maximize his talent. Simple as that. If the Jazz want some guys lower on the value chart, they can work a trade up to get them or do a sign & trade with Hayward where they take back rookies and contracts.