The Officially Official We should have Drafted Kawhi instead of Burks Thread

[MVP]

Kawhi isn't all that. He's a role player like Bryon Russel playing off of talent at every other position on the floor.

Leonard is fairly well suited to guard Lebron, and he makes some of his shots, but I don't think he's really the MVP of the series. Popovich is the biggest factor so far.

Sure, and Burks is second coming of Wade but it is all Corbins fault for not using him. You guys are crazy, seriously. Some of you must think that if Jordan would have not been drafted by Bulls he would never become the best player in history of the game? Ending up on right team can make a difference for role players, Kawhi would have been great anywhere he would have ended.
Leonard does everything to help his tema win. How about his steals, passing and rebounding? If you think it is just his defense on LBJ and shooting then you must not been watching the games.

 

[Stoked]

Sure, and Burks is second coming of Wade but it is all Corbins fault for not using him. You guys are crazy, seriously. Some of you must think that if Jordan would have not been drafted by Bulls he would never become the best player in history of the game? Ending up on right team can make a difference for role players, Kawhi would have been great anywhere he would have ended.
Leonard does everything to help his tema win. How about his steals, passing and rebounding? If you think it is just his defense on LBJ and shooting then you must not been watching the games.

Honest question. How is your speculation (that's what you're doing) any better than anyone elses speculation?

 

[franklin]

Honest question. How is your speculation (that's what you're doing) any better than anyone elses speculation?

The ability to evaluate talent honestly vs. homers trying to want something into existence makes his opinion much sounder. The other is built on sand. ABAB

 

[MVP]

Honest question. How is your speculation (that's what you're doing) any better than anyone elses speculation?

hm... Good question. I think I may look at things without bias and from the outsider's perspective as I watch a lot of NBA and not only Jazz. I think most of Jazz fans have this wishful thinking that given minutes Burks will be better them Leonard and Hayward better then George. And it is ok, as they are OUR players and thus we tend to overvalue them. Just a natural fan bias I guess.
To be objective we should ask this question to other team fans. Neither Spurs nor Jazz. And would bet very easily that 99% would not even consider it being close when it comes to Burks and Leonard.

 

[Stoked]

The ability to evaluate talent honestly vs. homers trying to want something into existence makes his opinion much sounder. The other is built on sand. ABAB

So basically you just think your opinion is better than theirs.

My point being is who knows how Burks would fair in S.A. and Leonard would fare here. It is all speculation.

 

[Nate505]

You people who say this have this very odd and strange and unfounded belief that he wouldn't be rotting here on the bench in Utah with Ty "vets gots to gets theirs" Corbin at the helm of this floundering ship.

And then the reverse would be happening, where there would be a group of people who think Leonard has all sorts of skill but it's being wasted because Ty feels the need to play journeymen and 1 year vet rentals ahead of him, and there would be the other group who would claim that he's a marginal player at best and that good players force their way on the court and blah blah blah.

Remember, this is the coach that played Marvin Williams, a 42% shooter from the floor and a 7 PPG scorer 23 minutes a game. I don't even know how that works. The only thing he did marginally well was the 3 ball (at 32.5%, though it nosedived from 28% the previous year on the Hawks) and was an adequate defender.

 

[zbone]

You are kidding yourself if you believe Leonard is anything else but a good role player. He has physical tools and mentality to play solid defense, grab boards and shoot open corner three. All of that sans 3pt shot was known at draft time. Pop knew what the Spurs needed and decided the best way for Leonard to not be a liability on offense is having a 3pt shot. It was messaged to him and he worked on this aspect. That's it.

Key difference? The Jazz leave it players to figure out what they lack themselves and then approach coaching staff for help. In Utah and basically everywhere else Leonard would be a slightly better version of our own DMC.
What makes SAS outstanding is they have a vision of what they are building and looking for opportunities to take steps towards that.

 

[franklin]

So basically you just think your opinion is better than theirs.

I believe taking the bias out of evaluation is critical, yes. Why anyone would put stock into fan opinion as silly as "play teh rookziez!" is beyond me. How long until you realize the Fire Ty posers are the same Fire Sloan he no play CJ malcontents? Anger and stupidity are supposed to be solid foundations now?

My point being is who knows how Burks would fair in S.A. and Leonard would fare here. It is all speculation.

I already said where I believe burks would lie in SAS. That's part of the evaluation process too, but you believe it's all just speculation and inputs don't matter.

You are kidding yourself if you believe Leonard is anything else but a good role player. He has physical tools and mentality to play solid defense, grab boards and shoot open corner three. All of that sans 3pt shot was known at draft time. Pop knew what the Spurs needed and decided the best way for Leonard to not be a liability on offense is having a 3pt shot. It was messaged to him and he worked on this aspect. That's it.

Key difference? The Jazz leave it players to figure out what they lack themselves and then approach coaching staff for help. In Utah and basically everywhere else Leonard would be a slightly better version of our own DMC.
What makes SAS outstanding is they have a vision of what they are building and looking for opportunities to take steps towards that.

That's not true in the least. Corbin was very specific about how exactly he tried to teach each youngster new tricks last year. You don't hear it much because it causes cognitive dissonance in the fable created by the vocal Corbin haters. Facing facts would be too much.

 

[zbone]

That's not true in the least. Corbin was very specific about how exactly he tried to teach each youngster new tricks last year. You don't hear it much because it causes cognitive dissonance in the fable created by the vocal Corbin haters. Facing facts would be too much.

If I had inclination it would take 15 minutes to gather quotes from players, coaches, KOC and Rigby supporting what I said. From recent examples it's Burks asking for a shooting coach. It's basically a common knowledge.

Can you please quote Corbin's specifics?

 

[Hotdog]

Thing is, had we drafted Leonard and the Spurs took Burks, this thread would be flip-flopped as we watched Alec drive to the hoop at will against the Heat's D while flourishing under Pop's mentorship.

This x 1000

 

[Hotdog]

ABAB. Anyone But Alec Burks.

Taking Kawhi over him was as big a no brainer then as it is obvious today. KOC just doesn't have what it takes to spot talent in the 10-20 range.

Wrong.

Burks > Leonard

But you are right about KOC that he sucks as a gm. We just have good scouts.

 

[Hotdog]

It's different. Some of us screwed around with the Kanter is teh messiah nonsense because nobody knew what he was except strong as a bull, and every time he stepped on the court he looked like a bonehead. He was also slow and couldn't jump like Kosta Koufus. But EVERYONE held out hope for him to grow.

With Burks, it's that he's not that good and his potential is a role player at best. No sixth man hope even. You'll eventually agree.



Burks would have a great role in Pop's system since he's a pretty dang good three point shooter when his looks are open. He's nowhere near the driver that Danny Green is and has maybe 1/5th the tools. Green controls himself in the air so he can make floaters and pullups much better, and also jukes opponents in a way Burks could only dream of.

Wrong again. Burks is a bad ***. Just wait til his contract is up here

 

[Hotdog]

Sure, and Burks is second coming of Wade but it is all Corbins fault for not using him. You guys are crazy, seriously. Some of you must think that if Jordan would have not been drafted by Bulls he would never become the best player in history of the game? Ending up on right team can make a difference for role players, Kawhi would have been great anywhere he would have ended.
Leonard does everything to help his tema win. How about his steals, passing and rebounding? If you think it is just his defense on LBJ and shooting then you must not been watching the games.

Wrong

 

[Hotdog]

You people who say this have this very odd and strange and unfounded belief that he wouldn't be rotting here on the bench in Utah with Ty "vets gots to gets theirs" Corbin at the helm of this floundering ship.

And then the reverse would be happening, where there would be a group of people who think Leonard has all sorts of skill but it's being wasted because Ty feels the need to play journeymen and 1 year vet rentals ahead of him, and there would be the other group who would claim that he's a marginal player at best and that good players force their way on the court and blah blah blah.

Remember, this is the coach that played Marvin Williams, a 42% shooter from the floor and a 7 PPG scorer 23 minutes a game. I don't even know how that works. The only thing he did marginally well was the 3 ball (at 32.5%, though it nosedived from 28% the previous year on the Hawks) and was an adequate defender.

This

 

[Hotdog]

You are kidding yourself if you believe Leonard is anything else but a good role player. He has physical tools and mentality to play solid defense, grab boards and shoot open corner three. All of that sans 3pt shot was known at draft time. Pop knew what the Spurs needed and decided the best way for Leonard to not be a liability on offense is having a 3pt shot. It was messaged to him and he worked on this aspect. That's it.

Key difference? The Jazz leave it players to figure out what they lack themselves and then approach coaching staff for help. In Utah and basically everywhere else Leonard would be a slightly better version of our own DMC.
What makes SAS outstanding is they have a vision of what they are building and looking for opportunities to take steps towards that.

Some of this.

I do think Leonard is a little better than you give him credit for though.

You are very right when it comes to the difference between the Jazz and the Spurs.

 

[Hotdog]

I believe taking the bias out of evaluation is critical, yes. Why anyone would put stock into fan opinion as silly as "play teh rookziez!" is beyond me. How long until you realize the Fire Ty posers are the same Fire Sloan he no play CJ malcontents? Anger and stupidity are supposed to be solid foundations now?



I already said where I believe burks would lie in SAS. That's part of the evaluation process too, but you believe it's all just speculation and inputs don't matter.



That's not true in the least. Corbin was very specific about how exactly he tried to teach each youngster new tricks last year. You don't hear it much because it causes cognitive dissonance in the fable created by the vocal Corbin haters. Facing facts would be too much.

When does the trolling act end Franklin. I know you aren't serious.

 

[gregbroncs]

I wanted Leonard then. I still think he was the better pick for this team. He fits with the other young players on our team better as well. a lineup of Hayward, Leonard, Kanter, and Favors is Better than Hayward, Kanter and Favors with either Hayward or Burks playing out of position when they play together.

 

[b_line]

One day Burks will average 16 points 5 rebounds and at least 3 assists. Will that be good enough for all you haters to stfu?

 

[MVP]

One day Burks will average 16 points 5 rebounds and at least 3 assists. Will that be good enough for all you haters to stfu?

For the record I do not hate Burks. I like him a lot but I wanted Leonard on draft day and just think KOC screwed up by not picking him. For you folks to not evaluate things without bias is sad. Leonard is much much better player then Burks at this point and it is not even close. When Burks will average 16pts, 5reb and 3ast Leonard will be ALL-Star and all defensive team. Maybe even DPOY.

 

[franklin]

When does the trolling act end Franklin. I know you aren't serious.

No one could ever disagree with hack.

One day Burks will average 16 points 5 rebounds and at least 3 assists. Will that be good enough for all you haters to stfu?

Most def. but he will never, unless u like 22 wins and 38% fg.