The oil spill...

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  1. sirkickyass

    sirkickyass Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    OMG. BP spills oil, is forced to set-up a fund to pay the damages resulting from that spill, and we feel BAD for them?

    This has got to be a joke. Please tell me this is one of those un-funny onion articles I stopped reading in 1999.
     
  2. TheMulletMutilator

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    Fox isn't defending BP. They are criticizing the President because he is doing next to nothing. His speech was a joke. Don't believe me, ask liberals such as Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.
     
  3. honz

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    I'm not sure what Obama is expected to do...he doesn't have a magic wand.
     
  4. TheMulletMutilator

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    Keep us informed with the facts. We don't need to hear about our terrible amount of oil consumption. Everyone knows we use way too much. If you are the POTUS in this type of situation, then you go out there and say that X and Y is happening and our options are W, Z, and Q. He has not at all shown strength on this issue.
     
  5. billyshelby

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    I have no real conviction about Obama one way or the other, but how this is being laid at his feet is beyond me. If Bush was the president I'd be defending him, but only until it was revealed the lax policies of his administration led directly to this disaster. There is no way it should be so easy to to just drill for oil anywhere you want, any way you want, as long as you can pay the tithe. That's effectively what happened. When the dust settles on this, the second biggest story is going to be what environmental impact studies were done to build Horizon, and then what oversight was put into place to ensure that it was being operated properly. The answer is that virtually no environmental impact study was done, there are no standards for what an oil company has to do to maintain such a rig, and there is no oversight of that. The biggest story, of course, is the grave extent of BP's lax safety practices which are very likely to cripple the company into oblivion when it will be bought off and absorbed into highly moral companies like Exxon or Shell.
     
  6. TheMulletMutilator

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    Both parties are in bed with big oil. This will be Obama's Katrina.
     
  7. billyshelby

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    There is little comparison to this and Katrina. The lone caveat is I don't actually know what Obama was doing with the MMS prior to the disaster, and I know that he was pushing for more offshore drilling. The question is whether there was any overhaul of the Bush policies, but there had to be some considering the massive scandal MMS went through (and the loophole that exempted BP from building Horizon was closed prior to the spill.)

    Bush/Katrina is far different. Prior to it occurring, there were years upon years of studies that the entire nation's system of levies, not just New Orleans, built by the lackluster Army Corps of Engineers, was outdated and insufficient. Maybe Bush gets a pass on that. But if I had those studies in my lap, and something like Katrina happened, I wouldn't dawdle in dealing with it. The calamity of Katrina was that the disaster was effectively over and the federal government did almost nothing to respond to it.

    Obama may have not acted fast enough to intervene in this debacle, either. But it was evolving. The reports of the damage, and promises of controlling it seemed credible. It took time for it to really sink in that BP was clueless to stop it. And the entire world's scientists still don't have a true answer for it. Obama is dealing with a fluid situation, maybe not as well as he could. Bush was dealing with a fixed situation, and completely botched it.
     
  8. The Thriller

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    I'm not an expert on this issue, but since when is it the President's responsibility to keep us Americans informed with the facts on deep sea oil tragedies?

    If you want to stay informed, maybe you could try the BBC, CNN, or BP's website.

    Hopefully, most conservatives don't think your way. I mean, now all of a sudden they're concerned with the President informing our populace on this issue? This coming from the side that has argued over everything from Health Care reform to the validity of his birth certificate? I mean, seriously, even if he had spent two hours rattling off facts and "informing" us, think anyone from one political side would have listened or believed in anything he said

    Personally, I see this as an exaggeration from the right, trying to score political points once again. Never let a crisis pass. they're blaming the government for "not doing enough" but were only months ago blaming the government for being "too involved" in the private sector.

    Which is it?

    As Americans we need to understand that we cannot have it both ways. We cannot demand that government stay out of the private sector when things are "going good" with hopes of creating a free market. And then demand that the government come in and "bail out" a failed company or a company that has an accident.

    In other words, we cannot act like a spoiled brat. We cannot demand that our parents stay away when things go well then cry and ask for their help when we screw up. We need to grow up and decide what kind of society and economic philosophy we want to adopt.

    Many on the right are also acting out of anger but really have no idea where to direct it. Yes, we're all angry about it happening, but some of us react differently. Some, direct their anger towards those responsible, like BP and those who were in charge of regulating this thing. While others get mad at the President of the US.

    I cannot see any similarity to this incident and Katrina, a natural disaster. None at all, as much as Hannity and Beck may want to compare the two.

    Even if Obama had turned the oil into wine, think those looking to score political points at his expense would have finally accepted him as the "Messiah?"

    Listen, I'm not a big Obama guy, but I truly am offended at the anger directed towards our Federal Government and especially our new President. I find it predictable... Yet no les repulsing that Foxnews, radio, and politicians are using us lemmings to deflect attention from those truly responsible for this horrible disaster just in order to score some political points.

    Direct your anger towards BP (a company with a long history of making cuts to save money), it was their damn rig that blew up in the first place. It's their fault that 12 people are dead, families changed forever, and thousands if not millions of Americans are feeling the effects of this horrible accident that could have been prevented had BP done their job.
     
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  9. The Thriller

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    I couldn't agree more.
     
  10. The Thriller

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    I only wish it were a joke...
     
  11. The Thriller

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    I really don't find that it's any President's fault.

    I do believe that the Mineral and Mining Agency needs to be gutted. They were found a few years ago to having accepted bribes and even slept with some oil execs. No overseeing agency should be that cozy with those they should be regulating.

    Other than this, the blame of this falls on those truly responsible, BP.
     
  12. honz

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    It's BP's fault. I don't care what Bush or Obama have done. We need oil, offshore drilling is a big part of how we get our oil, and BP/Halliburton ****ed up.
     
  13. Gameface

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    Hey, BP might finally stand for beyond petroleum after all this.
     
  14. sirkickyass

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    I went and got the transcript from the program my boss was listening to. Uhhh...they were defending BP. They were saying that making BP pay for the spill was "redistribution of wealth." A true WTF.


    Here's a pretty good rundown of Fox News coverage where they defend BP and argue that Obama is doing a bad thing because he's hurting BP's stock prices.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A505w8MG0Uw

    That's just ridiculous. I can't believe we're at a point where some people hate the president so much that they're willing to defend BP just because he's taking action against them in this situation.
     
  15. The Thriller

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    Kicky, this is a good article on what's wrong w/America's right wing. Let me know what you think... And for anyone, read this and discuss

    https://www.economist.com/node/16321546

    Thanks for the video. From what little I've seen, this is exactly what's being spewed on 1160 am radio and fox news 24/7. That's why I find it repulsing that we're defending those who are truly responsible, all in the hope that this will somehow win a few political points....
     
  16. Hopper

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    Not sure exactly why, but for some damn reason, I kinda git the feelin Kicky aint gunna think that article is "good," eh?:

    "[Obama] has done little to fix the deficit, shown a zeal for big government and all too often given the impression that capitalism is something unpleasant he found on the sole of his sneaker. America desperately needs a strong opposition."
     
  17. The Thriller

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    The article isn't perfect. That quote above surely isn't a point that I agreed 100 % on. However, some of the other points it makes I think show some merit in that the right really has no idea what the hell they're doing. All they know is that they need to get back into power... Even if it means going off the deep end of sanity and defending folks like BP. As kicky has shown in that video above.

    I'm truly disappointed in the government, there are things I disagree with, but I'm completely repulsed at what the Republican party is doing with this oil spill.
     
  18. Gameface

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    My work used to play only FOX news in the cafeteria. After much complaining they switched one TV to CNN and left the other on FOX. I have to say that my opinion of FOX has declined. Their actual news coverage is passable, but 90% of what they show is opinion. Right after Obama made his last speech they went to a split screen of two pundits, while CNN had their anchor reporting the story. Now, the CNN anchor did editorialize a lot, but at least it wasn't two chicken heads pecking at one another over issues they certainly know are not real.
     
  19. The Thriller

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    I like to watch foxnews at the gym when I'm running or biking. I have noticed this as well.

    I usually watch CNN, I find it the "most" balanced of the news organizations.
     
  20. TheMulletMutilator

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    I don't think you quite get what I was saying. Katrina and this oil spill are obviously not the same thing. But in the political spectrum they are both disastrous for the POTUS who was in office at the time. This oil spill and the procrastination shown by the President will really hurt him like Bush's handling of Katrina hurt him.
     

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