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I don't believe that the NBA players are necessarily the best in the world.

The league is very biased in how it officiates the games to favor size and muscle over skill and speed.
 
midnight_hwy said:
That's just sad... I remember the payroll from back in that era (and earlier).
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Thats interesting you remember. I'm just the opposite, I don't remember the salaries back in the day. I don't know what Karl got paid or Michael Jordan. Looking back, I don't remember salaries being a talking point all season long and all summer. I don't remember teams making salary dump deals, or getting draft picks to take on bad contracts, I don't remember injured players talking about the raise they were going to get in 15 months. Of course I also don't remember every square inch of the arena covered in flashing message boards with advertising, and TV timeouts every 2 and half minutes and I could watch all the games at Grandmas house on KJAZZ or KSTU or something.

Maybe all of that stuff happened back in the day, but as I look through time all I remember are my heros, and the villians and the basketball. Here's to hope that it will be about heros and basketball again someday.
 
mellow said:
Thats interesting you remember. I'm just the opposite, I don't remember the salaries back in the day. I don't know what Karl got paid or Michael Jordan. Looking back, I don't remember salaries being a talking point all season long and all summer. I don't remember teams making salary dump deals, or getting draft picks to take on bad contracts, I don't remember injured players talking about the raise they were going to get in 15 months. Of course I also don't remember every square inch of the arena covered in flashing message boards with advertising, and TV timeouts every 2 and half minutes and I could watch all the games at Grandmas house on KJAZZ or KSTU or something.

Maybe all of that stuff happened back in the day, but as I look through time all I remember are my heros, and the villians and the basketball. Here's to hope that it will be about heros and basketball again someday.
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Tried to rep you mellow, but apparently I like you too much.

Let all be honest and admit that it's rare to find a business that uses over 50% of it's revenue on such a small percent of the employees.

In 2009, General Electric grossed $156.7 Billion in revenue https://www.ge.com/ar2009/pdf/ge_ar_2009_audited.pdf. Their president and CEO, Jeff Imelt, earned $5,487,155. In other words, the President of CEO grossed about .0035% of the the companies total revenue.

To compare this, the Jazz in 2010 had a total revenue of $121 million
https://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/32/basketball-valuations-11_Utah-Jazz_322274.html. The Jazz, on average, spent $5.5 million on each player. So the average Jazz player walks away with roughly 4.4% of the Jazz's total yearly revenue.

If the Jazz players were paid at a percentage similar to that of the CEO and President of GE, they would make on average $423,500 per year.

I'm not saying it has to go that far, but clearly NBA salaries are out of control compared with how well the league as a whole is doing financially. Not all of the savings needs to go into the owners pocketbook either. How about we lower ticket prices and concession prices? How about we develop a better minor league system to place minor league teams in smaller markets (a better product than the NBDL)? How about the NBA increases the wages of other positions in finance, sales, marketing, HR, maintenance, etc? What does the NBAPA have to say about the families of these employees? How can they survive making $45K per year?
 
Lance-A-Million said:
So this just means you consider basketball ability to be worth a substantial amount of money.

The best of the best teachers make a fraction of what these guys make. Probably harder to replace too. The fact that these athletes are the 'best of the best' at doing something that provides no actual service to society aside from entertainment doesn't entitle them to enormous sums of cash in my opinion.
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I understand what you're trying to say, but you are also arguing against everything America stands for. Hu Jintao would agree with you though.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Let all be honest and admit that it's rare to find a business that uses over 50% of it's revenue on such a small percent of the employees.

In 2009, General Electric grossed $156.7 Billion in revenue https://www.ge.com/ar2009/pdf/ge_ar_2009_audited.pdf. Their president and CEO, Jeff Imelt, earned $5,487,155. In other words, the President of CEO grossed about .0035% of the the companies total revenue.

To compare this, the Jazz in 2010 had a total revenue of $121 million
https://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/32/basketball-valuations-11_Utah-Jazz_322274.html. The Jazz, on average, spent $5.5 million on each player. So the average Jazz player walks away with roughly 4.4% of the Jazz's total yearly revenue.

If the Jazz players were paid at a percentage similar to that of the CEO and President of GE, they would make on average $423,500 per year.

I'm not saying it has to go that far, but clearly NBA salaries are out of control compared with how well the league as a whole is doing financially. Not all of the savings needs to go into the owners pocketbook either. How about we lower ticket prices and concession prices? How about we develop a better minor league system to place minor league teams in smaller markets (a better product than the NBDL)? How about the NBA increases the wages of other positions in finance, sales, marketing, HR, maintenance, etc? What does the NBAPA have to say about the families of these employees? How can they survive making $45K per year?
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...very good reasoning! You should have that posted on ESPN.com!
 
utahquad said:
... I also think that Derek Fisher, the trash fish is the WORST person to be representing the players union. He used a sob story to get his way out of the Jazz, and went to a rival when he was supposedly going to go back east, he played a decent man for his emotions. He is not honest, straight up, none of that. He is a gold digging crook as far as I am concerned. If he really was going to use his daughters plight to get out of the Jazz and do it right, he would have gone to New York, New Jersey or Philly to be close to her doctors. Otherwise we DO have top notch doctors here in utah, the Huntsman Cancer Center, the Moran Eye Center and many other facilities. For those who believe he was 100% honest in what he did, you were suckered in too!
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Wow, overreact much? FWIW, I agree with you, but man this argument/soap opera is older than the **** on Millsappa's upper lip.

utahquad said:
Ok my rant is done, I support the Owners and the NBA in this as they are the bosses, and the players are just employees. I would love to see the lockout happen, and then allow players to cross the line IF they want to agree themselves to the lower numbers. Whoever doesnt cross over, fill in the rest of the spots with NBADL players and undrafted players as well. I would bet you would see 2/3 of the NBA players just decide to cross and play when they realized that they could lose it all. I for one would support a Utah Jazz team made up of "replacements" just the same as I would the team with the stars. I just want to see our team play, want to make use of my season tickets that I saved so hard for. In the end the players greed only hurts one group, the fans. PERIOD!
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Hahaha, ya, just ask the MLB how well the 'Replacement Players' worked out. Have you ever been to a D-League game? Can you imagine cheering for that garbage 82 times a year? I shudder at the thought.
 
toccoto said:
They are the best of the best and CAN do this.


NBA players are the best of the best. They make money, and they have the power to do this. People trying to compare them to other unions etc are, frankly, wrong. Why? Because sadly, postal workers and warehouse stockers and firemen can be replaced.

There is no one better to replace these people with.
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...you couldn't be more wrong! You try replacing fireman, postal workers, garbage men.....when they go on strike in these big cities....and see how fast total chaos throws everything into anarchy! A 3 day garbage strike in N.Y. City brings the whole city to it's knees! Make it a week.....and your just about a dead man!! Now, how long can we live without NBA basketball? How fast can NBA players be replaced by the thousands of guys ready to step in a take their places? Faster than a N.Y. minute! Besides, your also argueing that todays NBA game is enjoyable to watch and worth the big bucks to watch it. Not true at all! The game has regressed to the point of no return as far as most basketball purist are concerned. No real basketball fan watches NBA basketball. And sad to say, the product has become duluted in the College ranks as well.
 
TroutBum said:
Hahaha, ya, just ask the MLB how well the 'Replacement Players' worked out. Have you ever been to a D-League game? Can you imagine cheering for that garbage 82 times a year? I shudder at the thought.
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I didn't know MLB used scabs, but didn't the NFL try that for a while in 1986 or '87. I was too young to see a difference in the quality, but I remember all the comentators trashing on the players. I was old enough to realize the commentators were mostly former players and I thought they were lame for harping on the short falls of the scabs. I thought the sideline stories about the scabs who were all realitivly unknown made the game more intersting. I also liked the wide open feeling. Nobody knew which team would be good--or bad.

The NBA would have a harder time with scabs, for the very same reasons that the NBA has been succesful. I mean how many games would it take for the refs to figure which players were supposed to get fouls called for them, which players were allowed to travel, double dribble, trash talk, and push off and which players were not.

I don't think the Jazz would have trouble selling 10,000 tickets to a scab game, did you ever go to the Rocky Mtn Review? Sub-par basketball but standing room only when the jazz played. I'd pay $10 to watch Britton Johnson and Stockton's son play for coach Corbin on the Jazz floor.
 
mellow said:
I didn't know MLB used scabs, but didn't the NFL try that for a while in 1986 or '87. I was too young to see a difference in the quality, but I remember all the comentators trashing on the players. I was old enough to realize the commentators were mostly former players and I thought they were lame for harping on the short falls of the scabs. I thought the sideline stories about the scabs who were all realitivly unknown made the game more intersting. I also liked the wide open feeling. Nobody knew which team would be good--or bad.

The NBA would have a harder time with scabs, for the very same reasons that the NBA has been succesful. I mean how many games would it take for the refs to figure which players were supposed to get fouls called for them, which players were allowed to travel, double dribble, trash talk, and push off and which players were not.

I don't think the Jazz would have trouble selling 10,000 tickets to a scab game, did you ever go to the Rocky Mtn Review? Sub-par basketball but standing room only when the jazz played. I'd pay $10 to watch Britton Johnson and Stockton's son play for coach Corbin on the Jazz floor.
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I would too, simply out of morbid curiosity. You're fooling yourself if you think the tickets would be anywhere near 10 bucks, and if you think you'd come back for more than 2 or 3 games. There is a reason we all go to the RMR, and that's to see our rookies for a few games. I think there is a reason you can get Utah Flash floor seats for cheap an hour before the game -- because nobody cares about scrub/scabs.
 
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