orangello
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This is where lunatic, kennykyle, or franklin come in and say "but that is only because favors and kanter play against back ups".
Yep. There is some truth to that but I don't think that it explains the whole thing.
This is where lunatic, kennykyle, or franklin come in and say "but that is only because favors and kanter play against back ups".
Meanwhile, Kanter has a worse defensive rebound percentage (what we are really struggling with right now), a 10 point lower offensive rating, and turns the ball over at more than double the rate of Al.
Favors is shooting 44%, has a 8 point lower offensive rating than Paul, and has no offensive moves to speak of.
Not to mention they both get the **** blocked out of them.
Playing the youngins isn't the cure-all you guys claim it to be.
a record of 6-1 without jefferson has to mean something though, right?
And burn your bridge to Paul and Jefferson in the process? When you need to keep one of them, as it is unlikely that BOTH Kanter and Favors turn out to be great?
You guys really don't think these things through. The Jazz are playing this the right way. Just watch.
Instead they are doing thier best to burn the bridges with with kanter and favors right now.
And burn your bridge to Paul and Jefferson in the process? When you need to keep one of them, as it is unlikely that BOTH Kanter and Favors turn out to be great?
You guys really don't think these things through. The Jazz are playing this the right way. Just watch.
Sure, it'd be better.
And our offensive production would fall off a cliff.
And burn your bridge to Paul and Jefferson in the process? When you need to keep one of them, as it is unlikely that BOTH Kanter and Favors turn out to be great?
You guys really don't think these things through. The Jazz are playing this the right way. Just watch.
I've listened to the apologists on here talk about our offense without Apathetic Jefferson, and he has played brilliantly offensively in just enough games to accept the fool's gold. He defensive rebounds very well, he is a superstar teammate, and he is an ideal player to have on the team with respect to his conduct off the court. However, he is not even an efficient offensive player, and you will never (here me), never, even make the sixth seed with Jefferson as your main offensive player. You will also never make it out of the first round, ever, when he plays more than 30 minutes a game. His offensive is hit or miss, but his defense is disgraceful. He has no defensive pride and leads by example with his apathetic defensive play, letting guys drive right down the middle for easy baskets, just watching. The poisonous effect of this mindset is the most dangerous aspect of his play. You have to hold people accountable, and when your main players are the biggest offenders, you're in a bad spot. Not to put all of the blame on Al since I want Foye gone yesterday and possibly Mo as well. The both of them combined are, in the words of Kevin Pelton, "a historically bad rebounding backcourt."
By keeping Al you hamper any growth that the young bigs might have, and it's not a matter of tanking, but there will be some growing pains, and the offense cannot run through them necessarily, although Kanter may turn out to be a very good offensive player and has held his own particularly after, get this, he started. When Ty's chewing his *** out for every little thing he does, but then turns the other cheek when the Vets look like the Washington Generals on defense, it's bound to mess with you a bit. In short, I am for trading A.J. this season, even though I like the guy a lot.
As stated above, you also have to consider how the younglings are going to think about the Jazz when contracts come around. If these guys are the future, they need to start acting like it. I can't take another Millsap, AJ frontcourt, because I'm sick of the conservative middling tendencies of the Jazz brass.
A stat that can't be ignored now that Trade Season is fully underway: Utah ranks No. 23 in defensive efficiency and allows 106 points per 100 possessions when vets Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap anchor the frontcourt. When it's anchored by Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter?Just 95.3 points.
From ESPN Power Rankings.
Excellent job setting up your own straw man and burning it down. You should claim victory over these imaginary Jefferson Apologists.
What's that? I couldn't hear you with all of that straw in your mouth.
Interesting. Another question, if there's no Millsap and Al to take minutes away from Favors and Kanter, do you still think this team needs a different coach to maximize their talents?
On a side note ( I was saying halfway though last season to see Jeff and Sap traded so Favors and Kanter can start).
Us JFers chase breakfast habaneros with goldschlager and Tabasco sauce. What's a little burning straw?
Your contention that the offense wouldn't miss AJ would be stronger if placed on its own platform.
Truth is, many of us waffle on Al because of his occasionally wonderful offensive displays. My point is not that the offensive would instantly get better but that overall we would be better off. The Jazz have had a tendency to let contracts expire and let the player walk, which I don't want them to do this year. Our young bigs are far from perfect, and there would be some painful games (but there are those already). Since Corbin is too craven to pull his vet players from the game for time and time again not even competing on the defensive end, I want A.J. to bring us at least something back. I'm done with my waffling.
I don't think the jazz will make any moves. They will let them expire.
If they re-sign Al i will be taking a break from the Jazz until his contract expires. I hope this doesn't happen.
Sure, it'd be better.
And our offensive production would fall off a cliff.