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The Real Reason KOC should be fired

vj_74 said:
But the fact that they will be paying luxury tax THIS year speaks of pathetic mismanagement. I cant imagine it happening with Larry Miller, who was stubborn about not going beyond LT unless he was sure that the team would be championship-contending(of course its another issue if the Jazz really intended to be a championship-contender)
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It started with Larry agreeing to that horrible deal for AK. I don't see how they would have avoided the LT without completely blowing this team up. Larry also was still in charge when the reported deal for Marion was on the table that they did not take (thank god).
 
gregbroncs said:
I said in the future. 2 years is still in the future. With Deron they had 2 years to try and get there and then he was gone. They were not going to be good enough during that stretch. So they made the difficult decision to regress now and hope for the future to be better next time. I see their point of view.

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And I dont see it in the near future.
With Deron they had 5 years not 2. With this team it could take even more, who knows? None of the young guys are as good of a finished product as Deron was, as a rookie. And that there is no gaauarntee that they would be able to sign all their rookies either, if in any case one of them blossoms into a star. Also, the player himself can walk out on the Jazz anytime. After all there are more attractive destinations for ayoung NBA star than Utah
 
gregbroncs said:
It started with Larry agreeing to that horrible deal for AK. I don't see how they would have avoided the LT without completely blowing this team up. Larry also was still in charge when the reported deal for Marion was on the table that they did not take (thank god).
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Why "thank god"? They should have taken that deal. Pretty stupid of Miller, if he was really the one who vetoed that trade.
 
Yes....

I blame Kevin for not making a deal that involved us shipping crap out and receiving an allstar SG in return.

Seriously guys, who would want Bell or CJ? We weren't going to get Gerald Wallace or Wade for CJ and a future draft pick.
 
Okur13 said:
He should have been fired for setting the record for destrying a NBA franchise is less than 6 months
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He didn't do it in his previous 12 years. Meanwhile, on Greg's watch, the Jazz went from a fringe contender on a hot streak to where we are at now (nice assets moving forward, with a bunch of mismatching pieces and no rock, soul, or living tradition, let alone winning).
 
And I kind of agree with the OP. But I don't think it would make any sense to go for it right now. Jefferson has come alive and Harris looks nice, but trading everyone that makes more than Millsap for salary relief and picks is how you rebuild.

I know the Jazz are selling everyone on how they're not rebuilding. Which is funny.
 
vj_74 said:
Why "thank god"? They should have taken that deal. Pretty stupid of Miller, if he was really the one who vetoed that trade.
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Because since Marion left Phoenix he is shooting less than 20% from 3. He would not have resigned here and we would never have been a good team. Marion was not the answer then and not making that deal was still the right move. Just like not signing Mo Pete like you wanted as your answer at SG.
 
gregbroncs said:
He shouldn't be fired actually. I believe he tried to make another deal and did not get it done. I expect a bit of movement this off season.

This team was not going to be good enough in the foreseeable future and they took a big risk to try and get to the championship in the near future.

This season the Jazz are not going to be that good. But they were not before the trade anyway.
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He WAS trying to trade AK. Read the articles; that was the reason behind his original call to NJ. A lot of teams had expirings, but there were few dealt. Why? Because heading into a new CBA, you don't want to take on bad deals. Yeah, I'm sure Detroit would have given us Rip for AK. Wow, that would have been fantastic, right?

KOC was caught between a rock and a hard place. Before Deron was dealt, there was no way he could trade CJ or Millsap. Those are Deron's BFF's. Remember the heat he took from DWill for trading Ronnie B., even though there was ZERO chance of re-signing him (had he not been injured). The DWill trade came down late. I'm sure KOC made a few calls after that, but it generally takes days to put deals together. Besides, once the Jazz got rid of Williams, I'm sure offers coming in were at "fire-sale" prices, thinking the Jazz had gone into a full dump mode.

I agree with gregbroncs. It's likely KOC has already started discussing possible wing acquisitions. Remember, he began the Jefferson talks before the last trading deadline. What will impact trade discussions is the CBA and where the Jazz draft. Get a #6 and the Jazz might be willing to trade it. If it moves up to a #3, maybe the Jazz keep it. And if the Jazz miss the playoffs, that second lottery pick probably becomes a chip to use.

However, and Kenwood can correct me if I'm wrong, since we already traded our 2011 first rounder (subject to protection), I think a player would need to be selected and then the Jazz could trade the rights to that player. I don't think we could have traded away the Nets pick even had a great veteran been on the market.
 
vj_74 said:
Why "thank god"? They should have taken that deal. Pretty stupid of Miller, if he was really the one who vetoed that trade.
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Agree. It was not about getting Marion. It was all about getting out of a MAX deal a year earlier. Boozer would have been allowed to walk, but the Jazz MIGHT have kept Matthews. My hunch is that they wouldn't have; Portland's offer was pretty hefty for a mid-level SG. In that case, maybe Utah would have kept Korver. But then we'd still have CJ as the starting SF without AK.

All in all, what has happened has been a decent scenario for Utah. The old core was never going to challenge for a title. Jefferson is a very good player. Favors has a chance to develop into something very special. WE have a couple of lottery picks coming up. My guess is KOC tries to use the picks to get solid veterans. There is enough youth to develop with Favors and Hayward.

KOC rebuilt quickly after Stockton and Malone. That team got to the conference finals, but we learned there were some fatal flaws. Now that team has been dismantled and a rebuild started again. And I'd be surprised if the Jazz aren't at least a .500 team next year. That's pretty good. Rebuild twice and only have one terrible season (and that due to injuries).
 
NUMBERICA said:
He didn't do it in his previous 12 years. Meanwhile, on Greg's watch, the Jazz went from a fringe contender on a hot streak to where we are at now (nice assets moving forward, with a bunch of mismatching pieces and no rock, soul, or living tradition, let alone winning).
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So you were satisfied with just making the playoffs and knowing we would make the second round at best?

There was no way our team with Deron would have improved in these next two years. To get what we did for Deron was a hell of a deal for us, no way we would have gotten as much if we waited.

Me personally, I'm glad our management finally took a risk instead of being the same predictable franchise that was saitisfied with making the playoffs as a 5 seed.
 
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