The Rest of the Season Plan - Kind Of

[Flc]

My guess is that JC didn't have a great trade market (we probably highly overrate his "amazing" deal)....but if cap space is what they wanted he should have been the one to go. If he was a FA, I don't think he'd be a player looking to sign.

Tony Jones reported (and I'm paraphrasing) that there were/are teams interested in JC and he believed they were willing to meet the Jazz's price of a first-round pick but that once the NYK deal was off the table there weren't teams that could match JC's salary while retaining their own rotation players. That changes this summer when the salary cap drops. I firmly believe he'll be dealt this off-season.

The Simone deal also doesn't jive with cap space plans because they will be hard pressed to find better value for what his cap hold was worth. I think they got good value for him in a vacuum, but you have to wonder, if we're not a team that would want to sign Simone....what kind of team are we? I think most would agree that IF we're keeping Lauri, we should actually move forward and try to win with him. Simone is a really nice player to have if you have ambitions to win with Lauri especially at that opportunity cost/cap hold.

"What are we trying to do" remains the biggest question mark for this franchise.

I think Sexton will be gone too, potentially this summer, potentially next trade deadline. My best guess here is that the soonest they aim to make the playoffs is 2026 - unless a top-10 player becomes available. I think the rest of this year is a relative tank job and that next year is as well. Get the youngesters (esp Keyonte and Kessler) a year more of development in "meaningful games", try. to add a star to pair with Lauri and go for a chip.

Maybe Lauri+young guys is what they want....it kinda seems like they want to ride this gravy train of "forcing no outcomes" aka it doesn't matter if we win or lose we're just collecting assets. But how long can they keep doing this?

Yup - exactly. I think this is where they're going. Their specific plan is to pair Lauri with a superstar around his own age, and surround them with talented kids on cheap contracts. That's exactly what he tried to do with Kyrie + Hayward + Tatum + Brown. That blew up, but not for reasons entirely within his control.

 

[brooklynese]

I like Clarkson as a person and he can really light the whole team up when he gets hot.

But something about his playstyle bugs me in a way that Sexton and Keyonte dont.

I think one is getting trapped in the middle and not having awareness of where the open guys are. He even sort of traps himself quite often.

Sexton and Key are much more straight line guys who attack the rim and make heads up passes from drives as well. Clarkson passes on the perimeter better than he does from inside.

Yes, and he almost trapped himself vs GS near the end of the game but got it to Lauri in the corner for the assist. I think it was Lauri
Man I was praying he would kick it out and he did.
He could do so much more of that if he wanted to, what with his slipping in and out of the post often at will.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah I would do a lot of things differently and dont think Hardy is perfect by any means. But I do trust him and think he is very good.

Me too. I bitch about him a lot but I do think he is a great coach.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

My guess is that JC didn't have a great trade market (we probably highly overrate his "amazing" deal)....but if cap space is what they wanted he should have been the one to go. If he was a FA, I don't think he'd be a player looking to sign.

The Simone deal also doesn't jive with cap space plans because they will be hard pressed to find better value for what his cap hold was worth. I think they got good value for him in a vacuum, but you have to wonder, if we're not a team that would want to sign Simone....what kind of team are we? I think most would agree that IF we're keeping Lauri, we should actually move forward and try to win with him. Simone is a really nice player to have if you have ambitions to win with Lauri especially at that opportunity cost/cap hold.

"What are we trying to do" remains the biggest question mark for this franchise.

Maybe Lauri+young guys is what they want....it kinda seems like they want to ride this gravy train of "forcing no outcomes" aka it doesn't matter if we win or lose we're just collecting assets. But how long can they keep doing this?

With JC I think it’s a mix of his market not being quite as high as we’d like, waiting for his contract to descend, and also I think he’s working with Key a lot and I think they want to see that through. I think they settle for less but I also wonder if he’s a guy who will actually just stay forever. He survives every purge lol.

The Simone thing doesn’t make sense with his cap hold being low and yeah now we need to use some of our flexibility to go get guys that do what he does.

I just don’t know if the FO has any clearer idea of what they are trying to do than us.

 

[sip]

Anywho, like you recently said, we can't know what Hardy wants from each guy.
So the generic statement "Bryce doesn't play the right way" doesn't really mean anything.
What is the right way? Kessler played a completely different way from Collins but they both get minutes.
Same with Dunn and Sexton. Etc etc.

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The reality is that Bryce has never been given a shot so for Hardy to claim that he doesn't play the right way is just bunch of bull. Give the kid a damn shot for 20 minutes and see how he looks. That is the only way to really know what a guy can do because there is no comparison to actual game play.

 

[sip]

I think Brice is getting this treatment because he is a rookie and therefore more teachable than JC or THT. Common sense man

The problem is there is nothing teachable when a guy doesn't actually see the court. You have to give him real minutes to see what he can do and then teach during that process.

 

[Tanktastic]

There was a post-practice interview some days ago with Brice on the Jazz website. He was asked about Hardy's comment about worrying about everything else but shooting. Brice responded that he's done everything, done great, all done, fantastic. Felt a bit like "now gimme the damn minutes". Either he's a bit delusional as far as his own game goes or Hardy is totally blind. I have a strong bias out of those two options...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Brice and Taylor on the court at the same time is tankalicious.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

The problem is there is nothing teachable when a guy doesn't actually see the court. You have to give him real minutes to see what he can do and then teach during that process.

I’m sure the jazz are doing what they think is best. I think they see bad habits in him and are trying to teach those things out of him and not playing him is a motivational thing. I’m sure at some point he’ll play. I just don’t think Hardy is completely ready to throw in the towel on the season just yet. It’s coming though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The problem is there is nothing teachable when a guy doesn't actually see the court. You have to give him real minutes to see what he can do and then teach during that process.

He sees him in practice and is likely communicating with the g league coaches. He knows the strengths/weaknesses and development plan. As flawed as THT is he is still likely to be much more effective than Brice right now. Brice will end up getting some minutes but it’s not like he’s totally earned them… just like Taylor it’s to get a look and see what they have.

 

[underdog]

He sees him in practice and is likely communicating with the g league coaches. He knows the strengths/weaknesses and development plan. As flawed as THT is he is still likely to be much more effective than Brice right now. Brice will end up getting some minutes but it’s not like he’s totally earned them… just like Taylor it’s to get a look and see what they have.

Yeah, and Hardy has to manage these guys and how their feel about his decisions etc., like THT wouldn't be pleased to see Brice take his minutes.

 

[framer]

I think it has more to do with playing three rookies in the rotation rather than just Brice in isolation. Three rookies getting heavy minutes is a disaster. I just can't see how they use 3 picks next year.

My thought is that the Jazz have someone in mind to acquire during the draft. And are collecting vanity first rounds to up the perceived payment. Trading 3 or 4 first round picks is pretty sexy, even if one of them is that late pick this year. They have a young player to trade (Brice, maybe Hendricks) salary ballast. with players who don't actually suck (Collins and Clarkson) In that situation trying to resign Olynyk and Tec doesn't make a lot of sense and could complicate things.

It wouldn't at all surprise me to actually acquire Murray with the three picks that we might conceivably have with Sensabaugh and Clarkson going the other way. It isn't great value for them, but the number of picks helps them save face and we aren't really tapping into our finest pick reserve yet. Ot maybe toss a couple of those in and get Trae Young. . .