Yeah, to me that's the ultimate bottom line. I'm really not sure if Adnan did it or not. I waver, but one thing's for certain, I have much more than just a shadow of a doubt.
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Yeah, to me that's the ultimate bottom line. I'm really not sure if Adnan did it or not. I waver, but one thing's for certain, I have much more than just a shadow of a doubt.
fallenchicken
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATXbJjuZqbc#t=319 snl really nailed it.
Hotdog
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Well, one thing is for sure, either Jay or Adnan did it, or both. Right? Why else would Jay say all things he has. The fingerprint of the crime is on them. Maybe someone else was involved, maybe not. Doesn't matter.
One guy is pointing in the direction of the other, while the other is not pointing back. What kind of dumbass would not point back at the other guy pointing at him if he were innocent. I heard Adnan say when asked by the podcast girl, while he was in jail, who he thought might have done it. He said he don't know, he didn't even mention Jay. How would it not have occurred to you yet, that the guy accusing you of these things may be the one who did it? It doesn't make sense to me
That leaves only one possible answer. Adnan did it, and Jay is douche bag who should be rotting in jail right beside him for at least not trying to stop it.
One guy is pointing in the direction of the other, while the other is not pointing back. What kind of dumbass would not point back at the other guy pointing at him if he were innocent. I heard Adnan say when asked by the podcast girl, while he was in jail, who he thought might have done it. He said he don't know, he didn't even mention Jay. How would it not have occurred to you yet, that the guy accusing you of these things may be the one who did it? It doesn't make sense to me
That leaves only one possible answer. Adnan did it, and Jay is douche bag who should be rotting in jail right beside him for at least not trying to stop it.
Adnan is pursuing an appeal. He needs to be careful about what he says. He has a lawyer and I'm sure the lawyer is advising he not say certain things.
I don't find the "he isn't acting the way I imagine I'd act if I had any ****ing idea what his situation was like" argument very compelling, tbh.
Hotdog
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Well, we aren't in court, and we don't have to be technical. So we can go off our instincts a little more than usual. None of us are really ever gonna know.
Like I said, it fairly obvious that either Jay or Adnan or both were invloved. We can come to that conclusion because Jay admits as much. No one in there right mind is going to place themselves inside the story just because they feel like making up some crap. Either Jay did it, and he framed Adnan. Or Adnan did it. It's only two choices. With a small possibility that one or more of their friends were invloved also. Nevertheless, one or both was still involved. I think we can safely jump to that conclusion without feeling guilty about whether or not we are being fair. I think that removes a lot of doubt and questions about whether we are on the right trail.
We have two choices. It's either Jay or Adnan.You got a 50/50 shot at guessing which one it is. Everything points to Adnan. Yes, Jay is an idiot, and lied, a lot. Who cares. My instincts tell me it's Adnan. He can't remember where he was during the murder. The call to Nesha. The weird human behavior of not counter blaming Jay. Jay saying it was Adnan. Adnan's motive is simple, he's a butt hurt ex boyfriend, etc....
Ya, it's not exactly evidence. But do we really need a clear cut case to see what's going on here? Who cares that he is well spoken, a good football player, smart, charming, etc... That doesn't mean anything.
This all about the liberal movement to expose racial injustices in the court system. Which I'm all for. But at least pick cases that are actually injustices. Or at least appear to be. This case seems pretty simple imo. I don't know what everyone is so hung up on. Of course you are never going to get a perfectly painted picture when liars, manipulators, and idiots are involved in the story telling. Sometimes, if not most of the time, detectives in murder cases are going to be missing some of the evidence. You might not be able to directly link your suspect.
Maybe, a mistake was made in his conviction in that their technically wasn't enough evidence to convict, but I still think they got the right guy.
The Blue Elephant
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A third option is Jay was forced by cops to blame it on Adnan and neither did it.
I see that as an actual option, although pretty unlikely.
Ritz, the lead detective, got in trouble a few years after this case for using a "2-step" interrogation process in which he pre-interrogates suspects and witnesses while not recording, then once they hash out the details he turns on the tape and they run back through the interrogation for the record. He would feed info to witnesses and then record them feeding it back.
Jays story doesn't make any sense.
There is one piece of info Jay provides that makes him special, the location of the car. That's all Jay has.
His timeline is impossible, all 4 of them.
This is the part that gets me to conclude that it was Adnan as well. I just don't understand that any human being who is innocent and being fabricated by someone else for a murder would not fight harder to turn the table on the other person. Adnan did NOTHING that I know of to counter Jay's story or even to shift some burden of proof onto Jay. That to me is really puzzling.
The only real explanation for that is that the core of what Jay was telling was the truth. Therefore for me it's still Adnan.
Holy crap, you guys understand a couple of things, right?
A - Adnan has been in prison for 15 years. A lot of the fire you guys expect to come from him has been burnt out already.
B - There are tactical reasons concerning the appeal to not go around proposing alternate theories on a radio program.
C - This is an edited radio program. Sarah has presented that which furthers her narrative. We don't know what she didn't share.
Well we're all going off of all the info we have at hand. It would be good to have all the recorded interviews Sarah has with Adnan, but we don't have it.
Irregardlessly, Jay accused Adnan of MURDER, alternate theories or not I'm interested to know what Adnan did during the time of the trial to discredit / disprove Jay's story.
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havent read dis thread. do yall think this is somethin i would enjoy? i love me some podcasts, always see dis 1 at #1. please advise. is it entertainin? i gots to have entertainment. i enjoy CSI and **** like that every now and then, but really i need some comedic relief and ****. breakin bad and game of thongs is about as serious as i like my entertainments.