the situation in Egypt
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for better or worse, the situation in Cairo (and the rest of Egypt for that matter) is reminding me of the French student protests of 1968
info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_in_France
or the Chinese student protests in Tiennamen Square about 20 years or so ago
except that these protests don't seem to be led by students, seems to be more general participation...
info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_in_France
or the Chinese student protests in Tiennamen Square about 20 years or so ago
except that these protests don't seem to be led by students, seems to be more general participation...
Stickler
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It's never even occurred to me to go there. I'm so pure of heart, you don't even know.
Rachel Maddow says "Oops!"
https://www.theatlanticwire.com/opi...chel-Maddow-and-NBC-Struggle-With-Satire-6795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwK35y4kr_E&feature=player_embedded
https://www.theatlanticwire.com/opi...chel-Maddow-and-NBC-Struggle-With-Satire-6795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwK35y4kr_E&feature=player_embedded
On this we can agree.
I wasn't going to argue with him. I figured I'd just resurrect this thread in a year and say, "Ha!"
Egypt will either end up like Pakistan was under Mursharraf, a military dictatorship with mock elections or it will end up like Iran with theocratic leader using his Ahmadinejad puppet and mock elections.
And while as a loyal American I feel a little sensitive about the insults. . . . . but in this case we need to bifurcate the separate issues of the natural American sympathy for the values of freedom, and our unconstitutional foreign wars in the service of the UN global agenda.
I'm looking forward to the day when Americans will reclaim their freedom. . . . hopefully at the ballot box and not in the streets shaking fists at tanks.
What a lot of Americans have not understood is that our corporate interests have beein leaning very heavily on the actions of our government, and the UN is more of a trojan horse filled with the minions of megalomaniacal fascists than the beautiful promise of a better life for all mankind. UN needs to rewrite their constitution to include a Bill of Rights even better fortified against the lust for power by elitists, and needs to have all its delegates elected like our Senators and Representatives are. We should use our position as a leader in the world stage to demand those improvements in the scheme for world governance.
Our military adventurism on behalf of imposing our elitists' programs on other countries is something that is problematical at best, doubtful whether it will work out good in the long run, any more than our support of military-back dictatorships who happen to be useful to our corporate interests. . . . and we can not afford to waste our strength on these useless foreign wars.
Meanwhile, I believe we will make ourselves credible Americans once again if we weigh in on the side of freedom even in Egypt.
OK, I'm gonna try to understand this view.
I remember the days of martial law under Marcos in the Philippines. I remember how Benigno Aquino, the son of one of my friends, was gunned down on the tarmac at MIA. I saw from afar the filipino people taking to the streets to end martial law, and how the Philippine army caved and refused to fire into their friends and neighbors, and Corazon Aquino became an elected President.
Still, the interests went on prospering, and corruption didn't end.
Last June the filipino people elected the son of Corazon and Benigno Aquino as their president.
Democracy isn't perfect, some nations have no experience with it. Neither did we at one time. In the end, people just don't get better government unless they take responsibility for their government and assert their voice in a way that just can't be deflected.
I can understand there is danger things can go wrong in a mob. I don't know anything about Egypt from personal experience. I don't think agenda groups are the best folks to work the crowds.
I just hope the people in the streets can start enforcing some focus on their protest that is to the point of getting redress of their grievances. Say Mubarak announces that he will let the people set up their own candidates for election in two months, and invites the demonstrators to send some representatives, say twenty or so, to come to his office and air their differences. . . .
If Mubarak is our friend in principle why can't he deflect the issue from his dictatorship to helping set up a constitution and free elections like Iraq? He saw what happened there. . .
There might be an answer to that question which we have not discussed in this thread yet.
A lot of people don't understand that the Muslim fundamentalist/extremists government in Iran is not a Persian government at all. The Iranian revolution was not a home-directed popular revolt in one aspect---it was manipulated by foreign, specifically Lebanese extremist, and those are the folks in power today in Iran.
If related elements are indeed working the crowds in Egypt, and if they gain control, the next time the people mass in the streets the soldiers and tanks will open fire, and riot police will fill the concentration camps with dissidents.
The news just came on, Mubarak has announced he will not seek election again. This may be just the thing that can make for positive developments.
PearlWatson
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They have camels. That is sweet!
