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The Stretch 4 Discussion Thread

NUMBERICA said:
He's good, and he'll be better, and he's making less than the MLE. At a minimum, he is good insurance/leverage in the Favors situation.

If the right deal comes along, I trade anyone. Well, except Mitchell.
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I definitely like him. Just thinking if Charlotte is willing to move back and swap Crowder+21 (and unguaranteed players) for Williams+11 I might like that better. Saves them money without looking like they are taking a step back. Not sure how much DL likes Miles Bridges, but he very well could be there at 11.
 
I don't want another person to question Jae's value ever again. The guy makes $6.8, $7.3 and $7.8. Sure, he's not a superstar, but he is one of the best values in the entire league. He's probably top 3-5 in terms of guys not on a rookie scale contract.
 
Let me also be perfectly clear that I love Crowder and very much view him as a piece that will be here for the contention years. He checks off a lot of really important boxes that a player (here) should.
 
LoPo said:
I don't want another person to question Jae's value ever again. The guy makes $6.8, $7.3 and $7.8. Sure, he's not a superstar, but he is one of the best values in the entire league. He's probably top 3-5 in terms of guys not on a rookie scale contract.
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He is valuable, but I'm not sure he's an amazing value. He only has the 2 years left now. I'm just saying he isn't as stretchy as some may think.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Let me also be perfectly clear that I love Crowder and very much view him as a piece that will be here for the contention years. He checks off a lot of really important boxes that a player (here) should.
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His defense picked up from his time in Cleveland, but his shooting percentages concern me. I'm just not sure he's the guy we want as the stretch 4 solution. Think he is good as a sixth man that provides, toughness, can get hot, and gives us some positional flexibility. He also looks super cool.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If the defense thinks he's stretchy, that's plenty valuable.
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I think he has a reputation which is good and valuable. He is confident in his jumper too... which adds to the rep.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
His defense picked up from his time in Cleveland, but his shooting percentages concern me. I'm just not sure he's the guy we want as the stretch 4 solution. Think he is good as a sixth man that provides, toughness, can get hot, and gives us some positional flexibility. He also looks super cool.
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Yeah, I don't view him as THE solution to the nominal 4 slot, but I do view him as A solution, which I view the pros and cons of his tweenerness as largely one-and-the-same. With his strength, I think he can play some 5 in this league as well.

All that being said, I think he'll be better. He was traded twice in the last year, had some off-court trauma, and his role changed with each trade. I honestly can hardly fathom anything but improvement.
 
If Favs walks and we use Ekpe in a trade... a backup center I really like and think we could get on a value deal is Salah Mejri. No one likes him... he eats the glass, provides rim protection, will foul the eff out of you, is really dirty... I'm here for all of it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, I don't view him as THE solution to the nominal 4 slot, but I do view him as A solution, which I view the pros and cons of his tweenerness as largely one-and-the-same. With his strength, I think he can play some 5 in this league as well.
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There are a few guys on this team that I think have more value to us than a team would offer in a trade... DM, Rudy, Joe, Ricky, Royce... I'm not 100% sure Jae is on that list u know. I could see a team valuing him appropriately and us taking the bait if it was something we truly wanted.

That's what I'm getting at...
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think we could get to #11 by doing unguaranteed guys and #21 for Marvin Williams. I think Noah is cooked and I don't think NY will do the deal honestly. The premium to get to top 9 will be high.

Wilson Chandler scares me... he looks great, then disappears and has some health concerns. I don't think they'd do AB for him straight up. They would likely love to get off of his contract so he is very available.

I think a version of the Gortat deal could happen, but I think it might be after the draft and involve their 2019 pick. Just a hunch there.

Phoenix supposedly wants Capela... they would need to clear some space for a max offer... we could do unguaranteeds and #21, for Chandler, 16, 31. I don't see a pressing need to move up, but there is enough value that I would angle for it.
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If pre-draft we could pull off these two trades, wow:

Alec Burks and #52 for DeMarre Carroll
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybwtjr94
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Non-guaranteeds (Udoh, Jerekbo and Thabo) and #21 for Tyson Chandler, #16 and #31 http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaxqxsjg

Then we look to sign Thabo immediately after he is waived/released by Phoenix.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He is valuable, but I'm not sure he's an amazing value. He only has the 2 years left now. I'm just saying he isn't as stretchy as some may think.
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I don't think he's our answer at starting PF. However, for all that he can do off the bench, his value is incredible. Let's not forget that Quin and DL were chasing him for years and finally got him. He ain't gonna get traded.
 
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