LoPo
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Alright fellow Jazz fans and utahjazzz; this very comprehensive thread is dedicated to all you stretch 4 lovers out there. After an amazing season, many of us identify PF as where we need more scoring and spacing. I will include free agents AND players who might be available via trade. I will include all players who are either PF or can play PF some. For example, I include a guy like Mbah a Moute who is a SF who can play some PF against a Houston/GS.
The players are broken up into 3 categories:
#1 - Time Waster - I personally believe we shouldn't waste time discussing
#2 - Worth Discussing - primary target options worth discussing
#3 - The Jerekbo Type - consolation option who is temporary and/or more easily attainable.
Time Wasters:
Aaron Gordon - I don't see any reason why Orlando lets him go. Since he's a restricted free agent, acquiring him would be very complicated anyway. If he was acquired in a complicated sign-and-trade scenario, I don't see us having the trade pieces Orlando would require especially since he would likely be signing a near max deal. If we tried to sign him, we would have to release a ton of people without certainty Orlando would let him go. He should not be part of discussions.
Kevin Durant - not gonna happen.
LeBron James - not gonna happen.
Carmelo Anthony - not gonna happen.
Joe Johnson - not gonna happen.
David West - not gonna happen.
Dario Saric - not gonna happen. Please don't mention him. If they do sell, we don't have the assets they would want.
Ryan Anderson (2 years $41.5 remaining) - we aren't going to do Houston any favors and take that contract for them. The guy seems done anyway.
Kenneth Faried (1 year $13.7 remaining) - he's not a stretch 4 or a good fit.
Julius Randle - personally, I'm a big fan, but I just don't see how he addresses our needs. We need a scorer and spacer but he's more of an energy guy. He is set to get paid too.
Michael Beasley - the guy has always had talent, but I don't like his fit. Let Favors go to get Beasley. We should aim higher.
Marvin Williams (2 years $29 remaining)- I have always liked him, but that contract for 2019-20 is a deal breaker. If he was just paid for next season, he could be a great fit.
Trevor Ariza - while I think he would be a great fit here, I think he will choose to stay at Houston or go to a bigger market contender.
Nicolas Batum (3 years $78 remaining) - on the court, he could be an amazing fit. However, he makes $24, $25.5 and $27 the next three years. If he just had the next two years, it would be worth discussing. That 3rd year is the deal breaker.
Chandler Parsons (2 years $49 remaining) - I'd take him in a heartbeat if they sent us the pick that got us Doncic. But that probably isn't happening on either side.
Worth Discussing:
DeMarre Carroll (1 year $15.4 remaining) - his skill set really compliments our roster. Most importantly, we could use another guy like him against our toughest competition (Houston and GS). Non-guaranteeds and maybe a 2nd seems like a fair trade to me.
Tobias Harris (1 year $14.8 remaining) - the ideal target. He's a stretch 4 who is a solid defender. He can create offense, shoot and attack the rim. They could keep Harris with Lou Williams while re-signing Avery Bradley, but really what's the point? The Clippers should go into a rebuild by trading Jordan and Harris. Non-guaranteeds, #21 and a future protected 1st is a very good offer.
Danillo Gallinari (2 years $44 remaining) - our FO liked him a few years ago but that contract is ridiculous. I'd take him if we could send Burks, Udoh, & Jerekbo and get back either their pick (#14) or Detroit's pick (#12). The Clippers could look to "contend" by keeping Harris and using picks to dump Gallinari OR they get picks for Harris and Jordan and rebuild. Glad I'm not a Clippers' fan because they are average either way.
Kawhi Leonard (1 year $20 remaining with a $21 player option for 19-20) - we could try to get him using non-guaranteeds, Burks, #21, future 1sts, whatever, but I don't think we have the assets. Worth discussing because anything is possible. Maybe he wants to play with Mitchell...
Jabari Parker - the million dollar question. Who is he really? Is his offense worth his questionable defense? Would Quin make him a star because Bucks' coaching has been so poor? How much does he want? He will be discussed at length.
Ersan Ilyasova - he is a stereotypical stretch 4 who has been playing well with Philly since coming over from Atlanta. I'm a big fan, especially if we discuss realistic options.
Justise Winslow (1 year $3.5 remaining restricted year after that) - many think that Miami won't keep him long term. I think the kid still has a lot to provide. He played 25mpg this year and shot 38% from 3 on 2 attempts per game. His physical attributes should make him a good switch defender for a long time.
JaMychal Green (1 year $7.8 remaining) - If Memphis starts selling to build around their top pick, he could help us. He shot 34% from 3 this year. Doubt he is just sold off though.
Nemanja Bjelica (restricted free agent) - Minnesota has cap issues and dude is a knock down shooter. He's a poor man's Niko. He's older but I think he could be acquired on a budget. We could make an offer that puts Minny in a bind.
Harrison Barnes (1 year $24 remaining with a $25 player option for 19-20) - he is still young enough to contribute. At GS, he did what it took to get better, play D and win a title. I'm not sold that he's our answer, but he would be an improvement over Favors for sure.
Kevon Looney - still only 22 and is destined to get better. He played 14mpg for Golden State this season. He's raw, but I like his potential. If we can take him away from GS, we might be taking away their future Iggy guy.
Kevin Love (1 year $24 remaining with a $25 player option for 19-20) - if LeBron leaves, maybe Cleveland sells him as part of a rebuild. However, I don't think he's a stretch 4. I think the fit doesn't work next to Gobert against teams like Houston and Golden State. Offensively, he's better than Favors but the fit with Gobert simply doesn't work like Favors/Gobert. He's on the bottom of this list for a reason.
Luol Deng (2 years $36 remaining) - he should probably be with the Jerekbo types, but I think the guy still has some quality minutes left in him. There is no reason why he couldn't play a role similar to Trevor Ariza, Moe Harkless, Jeff Green, DeMarre Carroll, etc. Taking him would gain us assets. Still probably not worth it.
The Jerekbo Type:
Rudy Gay ($8.8 player option) - he wouldn't be a long term solution, but I could see him coming our way if we offered him the starting spot. Doubt we would want to give him $8.8, but he probably would take a longer term deal. This doesn't excite me.
Moe Harkless (2 years $22.5 remaining) - he's borderline worth discussing, but I don't want to do Portland any favors and I'm not sure they would trade the assets necessary to dump him. Same can probably be said for their Meyers Leonard.
Mbah a Moute - he's the cream of the Jerekbo Type crop. He's a decent player, but he wouldn't provide the impact we need. If we get him, I'm happy but I'm hope he would be in addition to somebody else.
Jeff Green - I like him, but I think he stays with a Cleveland type contender. He is a pretty solid player who would start for us against a team like Houston. We want better though.
Trevor Booker - if he was meant to come here and we wanted him, he would have come when Philly bought him out after the deadline.
Ed Davis - great energy beast on the boards. Not a stretch 4 but still a decent bench PF.
Wilson Chandler (1 year $12.8 remaining) - he might be in the worth discussing area but since he has to be acquired via trade, I'm bumping him down. He would be a lateral move. I would rather have Jerekbo and Thabo.
Anthony Tolliver - meh
If I missed anybody, I'm sorry. Let the discussion begin...
The players are broken up into 3 categories:
#1 - Time Waster - I personally believe we shouldn't waste time discussing
#2 - Worth Discussing - primary target options worth discussing
#3 - The Jerekbo Type - consolation option who is temporary and/or more easily attainable.
Time Wasters:
Aaron Gordon - I don't see any reason why Orlando lets him go. Since he's a restricted free agent, acquiring him would be very complicated anyway. If he was acquired in a complicated sign-and-trade scenario, I don't see us having the trade pieces Orlando would require especially since he would likely be signing a near max deal. If we tried to sign him, we would have to release a ton of people without certainty Orlando would let him go. He should not be part of discussions.
Kevin Durant - not gonna happen.
LeBron James - not gonna happen.
Carmelo Anthony - not gonna happen.
Joe Johnson - not gonna happen.
David West - not gonna happen.
Dario Saric - not gonna happen. Please don't mention him. If they do sell, we don't have the assets they would want.
Ryan Anderson (2 years $41.5 remaining) - we aren't going to do Houston any favors and take that contract for them. The guy seems done anyway.
Kenneth Faried (1 year $13.7 remaining) - he's not a stretch 4 or a good fit.
Julius Randle - personally, I'm a big fan, but I just don't see how he addresses our needs. We need a scorer and spacer but he's more of an energy guy. He is set to get paid too.
Michael Beasley - the guy has always had talent, but I don't like his fit. Let Favors go to get Beasley. We should aim higher.
Marvin Williams (2 years $29 remaining)- I have always liked him, but that contract for 2019-20 is a deal breaker. If he was just paid for next season, he could be a great fit.
Trevor Ariza - while I think he would be a great fit here, I think he will choose to stay at Houston or go to a bigger market contender.
Nicolas Batum (3 years $78 remaining) - on the court, he could be an amazing fit. However, he makes $24, $25.5 and $27 the next three years. If he just had the next two years, it would be worth discussing. That 3rd year is the deal breaker.
Chandler Parsons (2 years $49 remaining) - I'd take him in a heartbeat if they sent us the pick that got us Doncic. But that probably isn't happening on either side.
Worth Discussing:
DeMarre Carroll (1 year $15.4 remaining) - his skill set really compliments our roster. Most importantly, we could use another guy like him against our toughest competition (Houston and GS). Non-guaranteeds and maybe a 2nd seems like a fair trade to me.
Tobias Harris (1 year $14.8 remaining) - the ideal target. He's a stretch 4 who is a solid defender. He can create offense, shoot and attack the rim. They could keep Harris with Lou Williams while re-signing Avery Bradley, but really what's the point? The Clippers should go into a rebuild by trading Jordan and Harris. Non-guaranteeds, #21 and a future protected 1st is a very good offer.
Danillo Gallinari (2 years $44 remaining) - our FO liked him a few years ago but that contract is ridiculous. I'd take him if we could send Burks, Udoh, & Jerekbo and get back either their pick (#14) or Detroit's pick (#12). The Clippers could look to "contend" by keeping Harris and using picks to dump Gallinari OR they get picks for Harris and Jordan and rebuild. Glad I'm not a Clippers' fan because they are average either way.
Kawhi Leonard (1 year $20 remaining with a $21 player option for 19-20) - we could try to get him using non-guaranteeds, Burks, #21, future 1sts, whatever, but I don't think we have the assets. Worth discussing because anything is possible. Maybe he wants to play with Mitchell...
Jabari Parker - the million dollar question. Who is he really? Is his offense worth his questionable defense? Would Quin make him a star because Bucks' coaching has been so poor? How much does he want? He will be discussed at length.
Ersan Ilyasova - he is a stereotypical stretch 4 who has been playing well with Philly since coming over from Atlanta. I'm a big fan, especially if we discuss realistic options.
Justise Winslow (1 year $3.5 remaining restricted year after that) - many think that Miami won't keep him long term. I think the kid still has a lot to provide. He played 25mpg this year and shot 38% from 3 on 2 attempts per game. His physical attributes should make him a good switch defender for a long time.
JaMychal Green (1 year $7.8 remaining) - If Memphis starts selling to build around their top pick, he could help us. He shot 34% from 3 this year. Doubt he is just sold off though.
Nemanja Bjelica (restricted free agent) - Minnesota has cap issues and dude is a knock down shooter. He's a poor man's Niko. He's older but I think he could be acquired on a budget. We could make an offer that puts Minny in a bind.
Harrison Barnes (1 year $24 remaining with a $25 player option for 19-20) - he is still young enough to contribute. At GS, he did what it took to get better, play D and win a title. I'm not sold that he's our answer, but he would be an improvement over Favors for sure.
Kevon Looney - still only 22 and is destined to get better. He played 14mpg for Golden State this season. He's raw, but I like his potential. If we can take him away from GS, we might be taking away their future Iggy guy.
Kevin Love (1 year $24 remaining with a $25 player option for 19-20) - if LeBron leaves, maybe Cleveland sells him as part of a rebuild. However, I don't think he's a stretch 4. I think the fit doesn't work next to Gobert against teams like Houston and Golden State. Offensively, he's better than Favors but the fit with Gobert simply doesn't work like Favors/Gobert. He's on the bottom of this list for a reason.
Luol Deng (2 years $36 remaining) - he should probably be with the Jerekbo types, but I think the guy still has some quality minutes left in him. There is no reason why he couldn't play a role similar to Trevor Ariza, Moe Harkless, Jeff Green, DeMarre Carroll, etc. Taking him would gain us assets. Still probably not worth it.
The Jerekbo Type:
Rudy Gay ($8.8 player option) - he wouldn't be a long term solution, but I could see him coming our way if we offered him the starting spot. Doubt we would want to give him $8.8, but he probably would take a longer term deal. This doesn't excite me.
Moe Harkless (2 years $22.5 remaining) - he's borderline worth discussing, but I don't want to do Portland any favors and I'm not sure they would trade the assets necessary to dump him. Same can probably be said for their Meyers Leonard.
Mbah a Moute - he's the cream of the Jerekbo Type crop. He's a decent player, but he wouldn't provide the impact we need. If we get him, I'm happy but I'm hope he would be in addition to somebody else.
Jeff Green - I like him, but I think he stays with a Cleveland type contender. He is a pretty solid player who would start for us against a team like Houston. We want better though.
Trevor Booker - if he was meant to come here and we wanted him, he would have come when Philly bought him out after the deadline.
Ed Davis - great energy beast on the boards. Not a stretch 4 but still a decent bench PF.
Wilson Chandler (1 year $12.8 remaining) - he might be in the worth discussing area but since he has to be acquired via trade, I'm bumping him down. He would be a lateral move. I would rather have Jerekbo and Thabo.
Anthony Tolliver - meh
If I missed anybody, I'm sorry. Let the discussion begin...
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