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The unrepentant Rudy Gobert support thread

LoPo said:
No he's not. It's not even close. John Stockton is the best defender in team history. For so many seasons, he terrorized opposing PGs. He has more steals than any NBA player and it's not even close.

For a season or two, sure Gobert might have been more impactful. For a career, Stockton is by a mile.

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LoPo said:
No he's not. It's not even close. John Stockton is the best defender in team history. For so many seasons, he terrorized opposing PGs. He has more steals than any NBA player and it's not even close.

For a season or two, sure Gobert might have been more impactful. For a career, Stockton is by a mile.

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My hell you’re an idiot!! And you could take one player to build a defense, ignoring all offense, who are you taking to make your defense as good as possible. Stockton or Gobert? If you for one second try to act all puffed up and say Stockton, then you shouldn’t be allowed to talk basketball, just try it I dare you!!
 
Thee jazz fan said:
My hell you’re an idiot!! And you could take one player to build a defense, ignoring all offense, who are you taking to make your defense as good as possible. Stockton or Gobert? If you for one second try to act all puffed up and say Stockton, then you shouldn’t be allowed to talk basketball, just try it I dare you!!
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Somebody said Gobert is the best defender in the history of the franchise. I just don't believe it. Until the guy dominates when it matters, he's not a better defender than John Stockton in the history of the franchise.

Using your measure, AK, Eaton and others could be considered better defensively than Stockton. However, basketball is a comprehensive sport. Stockton made his opponent work so hard on both ends of the court. His pressure on one end wore them out on the other and vice versa.

What John did defensively impacted the regular season and postseason for years. Gobert isn't there yet. Sure he has protected the rim well the last few years, but I'm not convinced come playoff time yet.

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LoPo said:
Somebody said Gobert is the best defender in the history of the franchise. I just don't believe it. Until the guy dominates when it matters, he's not a better defender than John Stockton in the history of the franchise.

Using your measure, AK, Eaton and others could be considered better defensively than Stockton. However, basketball is a comprehensive sport. Stockton made his opponent work so hard on both ends of the court. His pressure on one end wore them out on the other and vice versa.

What John did defensively impacted the regular season and postseason for years. Gobert isn't there yet. Sure he has protected the rim well the last few years, but I'm not convinced come playoff time yet.

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If he has been gameplanned means that the oponent had changed, sometimes drastically, the way they played in order to offset his greatness. The fact that we've lost is mostly bc we lacked firepower and offensive variations than any other thing.
 
The thing I don’t understand is the we should overpay Gobert because without him we’d suck. The goal is to win a championship not be the 4th-5th seed every year. Paying Rudy the supermax or anything close to that would significantly hinder this franchises ability to win a championship for years. It would have a lasting effect.
 
White Chocolate said:
The thing I don’t understand is the we should overpay Gobert because without him we’d suck. The goal is to win a championship not be the 4th-5th seed every year. Paying Rudy the supermax or anything close to that would significantly hinder this franchises ability to win a championship for years. It would have a lasting effect.
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I don't think it takes the supermax personally. The counter argument is what are we doing with the money if we let Rudy walk. If the goal is championship or nothing then we should go full Process Sixers. Getting a Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, KD level superstar is the surest way to win a title... that type of talent exists in the lotto and it takes years to sift through duds to find it. Being the 4/5 seed and hoping to hit it big on a pick or acquisition that puts you over the top is fine. We aren't a big FA destination and you never know when you find the magical formula that lands one of those one-off titles like Dallas, Detroit, or Toronto had.
 
White Chocolate said:
The thing I don’t understand is the we should overpay Gobert because without him we’d suck. The goal is to win a championship not be the 4th-5th seed every year. Paying Rudy the supermax or anything close to that would significantly hinder this franchises ability to win a championship for years. It would have a lasting effect.
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Again with the championship or bust. The odds of the Jazz winning a championship at any point over the next couple of decades are very small, for reasons I hope I don't need to explain to intelligent adults. I'd much rather be 4-5 seed every year than have a repeat of 2010-2017.
 
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