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the worry thread

The imminent blowup of this team is going to cause fandom meltdown. It will happen, and maybe as soon as this summer if Hayward walks.

My question is, what is worse between paying a player of Hayward's sub-star, sub-dominant caliber the true max or letting him walk?
 
you do realize that worry is just a form of self punishment. You are punishing yourself for things you have no control over
 
In a year, it's quite possible that Utah may be forced to trade away one of the players they want to keep, due to financial reasons. Having to pay Exum would likely just mean having to lose yet another player we want to keep. A worse situation would be if Exum was showing just enough to get a big offer, but still enough doubt that it would be a huge gamble to pay him.

If we can retain George Hill, then the Exum situation is fine. Bring him along slowly, hopefully sign him to a cheap contract after next season, and hope he turns into a solid player after that.

Favors and Burks are definitely concerning right now, but it is what it is. If Utah can retain Hill and Hayward, then we're still in a damn good situation. We are a year away from having to make tough choices anyway, and Utah will have 2 picks in the next draft, as well as multiple players that are decent trade bait.

To me, the real worries are keeping Hill and Hayward. Losing either one would really hurt, but if we can keep both, we will be fine, even if we don't get full trade value for Favors and Burks.
 
If we lose Hill and Gordo this off season, I can almost guarantee we trade Favors and Burks the following year for another reboot.
 
You know who has two thumbs and ain't worried?
This guy
 
I'm concerned too atm.

With everyone healthy and Favors playing like he has the last couple seasons the Jazz have no cause for concern imo and are contenders. I'm really not concerned about Exum at all right now, and especially in the scenario that everyone is healthy and Favors stops sucking because Exum doesn't figure into the rotation at all, a rotation which would be right up there with the best 8-9 man rotations in the league.

Favors offense looks bad right now, but most concerning is how soft he is on defense. Playing are scoring way easier at the rim than ever against him and it's pretty odd and disheartening to see. The Jazz are a team that can't afford any setbacks with injuries and the performance of their players if they want to truly contend imo. The way they are constructed, sans a superstar player, there is much less margin for error and an injury to a key player or something like Favors suddenly becoming much worse at defense is crippling.

On a different note, Favors has always been kind of a weird player offensively to me. He started as a physical specimen with no touch, that survived solely through effort and athleticism. He has made incredible leaps in his skill level over his career (which is awesome), but he really didn't retain that constant activity and athletic domination offensively that he displayed when he had nothing else in his game. That was the only thing that was kind of weird about him to me, and I've always wondered why that happened. Curious if others feel the same way.

I'm not concerned about all the injuries cuz what is the point to be concerned? **** happens. Players get injured. It would be lame if injuries lead to the team getting bounced earlier in the playoffs, but there is really not much that can be done about that circumstance. As long as players are playing at the same level or better when they are healthy then it's nbd, but a player becoming seemingly worse, like Favors, is a cause for concern, and a real threat to being unable to contend for a title. So as of right now, the Jazz can't contend for a title, and will likely lose in the first round, or get completely dominated in the second round.
 
Glass half empty I guess. Favs comes back from knee injury and every one is concerned. Umm ok. Let's talk concern if this happens a month from now.


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themanknownassting said:
Glass half empty I guess. Favs comes back from knee injury and every one is concerned. Umm ok. Let's talk concern if this happens a month from now.


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It's the third non-contact injury he's had in the last two years... he's 25... one more and his trade value vanishes.
 
All fair points by the OP. Favors is probably on the way out, and he won't net us what he might have at one time. Exum's ceiling is looking like Ricky Rubio imo. Coach Nick did a recent piece on Rubio and how their offense struggles with him, and I thought everything he said matches Exum and the Jazz to a T. In light of those unfortunate circumstances, the bigger news might be Gobert, Hayward, and Hill are all star level players imo. So we now have direction, something we didn't have in the core 4 days. Everything the team does can now be focused on how they compliment Gobert, Hayward, and Hill (slightly to a lesser extent since he's older).
 
There should be a pivot coming imo... we know it will be hard to retain everyone in a year or two. If Hayward leaves we are pretty much screwed... i don't think he leaves.

My worry is that the Jazz have always been consumed with continuity and patience... some of that pays off. Contracts are shorter now so I think teams will need to be flexible to build contenders. Sometimes patience pays off with developing players... Hayward is a great example. Favors still trying to fully realize what we though he could become. Hood and Gobert however showed they were good really early and Gobert has improved on offense at an amazing rate. I don't see that kind of development in the cards with Exum. I'm not sure patience will pay off there and may hurt us. Lyles has shown enough for me to have faith in him.

What I'm getting at is at some point we have to make a decision and push some chips to the middle... It may be the right time to do it now... All-stars do not become available often (ask Boston). Right now it's a buyers market imo. We've made great progress... I'd love to go get Millsap and make a damn run this year. If healthy Hill, Hood, Hayward, Millsap, and Gobert is awesome... individually the talent is great... and the pieces fit well on paper. We could reconfigure to keep it together next year if it was awesome.

As it currently sits everyone is really just waiting for a key GS or Cleveland injury... that likely doesn't change for a year or two... I see no reason not to try to be good now.
 
Jazz4ever said:
All fair points by the OP. Favors is probably on the way out, and he won't net us what he might have at one time. Exum's ceiling is looking like Ricky Rubio imo. Coach Nick did a recent piece on Rubio and how their offense struggles with him, and I thought everything he said matches Exum and the Jazz to a T. In light of those unfortunate circumstances, the bigger news might be Gobert, Hayward, and Hill are all star level players imo. So we now have direction, something we didn't have in the core 4 days. Everything the team does can now be focused on how they compliment Gobert, Hayward, and Hill (slightly to a lesser extent since he's older).
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Yes... we have a few meaningful players that really determine wins/losses and those are the guys... that is the core. Work around that and ignore the sunk costs and declining value of other assets.
 
No worries
 
No worries that we have only Alec Burks, George Hill, and maybe Hood that can create offense the rest rely on a scheme to score. Yes, that includes Hayward what is going to happen to him in the playoffs when team can scheme against him?

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Mission Accomplished said:
No worries that we have only Alec Burks, George Hill, and maybe Hood that can create offense the rest rely on a scheme to score. Yes, that includes Hayward what is going to happen to him in the playoffs when team can scheme against him?

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Are you saying Hayward can't create? Have you watched any Jazz games this year? He's constantly creating; that's his role on offense.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Are you saying Hayward can't create? Have you watched any Jazz games this year? He's constantly creating; that's his role on offense.
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Yeah this is a bit ridiculous... like he's playing off of others or we have some great offensive system that delivers points for the guy.
 
I'm worried our PF play is poop and that Favs/Lyles/Diaw may not fix it.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Are you saying Hayward can't create? Have you watched any Jazz games this year? He's constantly creating; that's his role on offense.
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Yep watched mostly every game. That is why Hayward struggles without Hill. Sure he is getting better than in the past. But, this year he is scoring because he is getting to the foul line. Not that he all of the sudden has a one on one game. He isn't close to those other three players. I'm saying in the playoffs if we play off him we are in trouble. I'm impressed with Burks this guy gets no credit and is one of the most efficient players we have on offense.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah this is a bit ridiculous... like he's playing off of others or we have some great offensive system that delivers points for the guy.
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Did we struggle last year? Same team same Gordon. Now Hill has come into create through the offense which has helped Hayward. How many times is he getting a backdoor or wide open three. The offense is his best friend.

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