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Hmm... Nah, ECTYApart. Smaller cake, more slices. Who wants that?

All things aside, I don't think Enes has a lot to learn from Memo.

Offense: Memo was a uniquely talented shooter for a 5 and Sloan used him to spread the floor. (10 times more pick&pops than pick&rolls with Deron.) His biggest strength was the 3-ball. (Remember Money?) The rest of what he did was usually in slo-mo. His O-IQ was higher than Enes's is right now, but that's not saying much.
In the paint, Enes already has more tricks up his sleeve than Memo ever did.
What's more, I suspect Enes doesn't have a lot to learn about being clutch either. That comes with personality & experience.
He already has a soft touch and I believe he will be a 3-pt threat someday. (Corbin!!)

Defense: Memo was a good one-on-one defender, but he was slow on help defense. He relied mainly on his size and was immovable most of the time; nevertheless, he struggled against faster/shooter bigs. Not much to learn there either.

On the whole, even though I'm still a Memo homer, I don't think he will have exclusive wisdom to share with Enes. Another big can teach Enes how to pass out of double teams, how to rotate, how to box out...

As for the big brother thing, there's a catch: Memo has openly spoken against the Islamist government and taken the secular side during the 2013 protests, whereas Enes has started a fresh affiliation with the Islamist "Hocaefendi movement." There's no guarantee they'll get along.
what aaqua said.
I want EK to be a totally different animal from a Memo-esque player.
Memo was all hustle when he was playing for TOFAS.
Rebs, dunks and all that.
Then, he developed a finesse game and synchronizedly lost his appetite for banging in the paint.
I want EK to rebound like e.g. Love, shoot like Memo, run like Malone and defend as well as he personally can.
These are all do-able for him.
 
CAKAR Grandmaster Hocaefendiye büyük saygi, always saygi ve sevgi. Cakar turk kardesler kötülemek istememek, bu atilmak iftira demek. Arkadas benm dogrulara cevap verememek, üzerime iftira atmak. Ben Turk sporu sevmek, temizlemek istemek.

Always sevgi always saygi seni seveyorrum Turkiye, en buyuk turkiye

My last post on this thread :

CAKAR, now you're saying in Turkish above "I love Turkish sports." Aren't you the same guy who said a few posts above you have written all this BECAUSE OF "your hatred for Turkish sports?" Exact opposite now.
I would give a damn if you would love Turkish sports or not but that was THE reason you had presented for posting the anti-Turkish messages? Remember that?
Your situation is strange really, whatever your motive could be for starting all this awkward campaign and then changing your mind, you love , you don't love...

You need to understand that your posting picture of a leading Turkish sports figure was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (Turkish court proceedings are going on for the person; you are not in position to declare a person a criminal, that's only up to Turkish courts); mentioning leading public and religious figure as someone that "might" have paid you a million dollars, whatever you meant, was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (that man also is respected by many millions.)
There is no need to transform this forum to a "hey, we are hating Turks" platform so that perverts will surface like the one who expressed his fantasy with the 19 litre water, etc. Offensive, what you did.

You're writing in Turkish "always love... I love Turkey..." Really?

To Turkish fans here:
Karsinizdaki adam 60+ yasta, TR'de okunabilecek en iyi okuldan mezun (en yuksek puanla girilebilen, zeka ister, Ingilizce en iyi nerede ogrenebilecekse orası), sonra en ust seviye universiteden mezun, ileri gelen Amerikan sirketinde uzun seneler genel mudurluk yapmıs ust seviye yonetici.
Herhalde pek cogunuzun daha dunyaya gelmemis oldugu zamanda, eskiden lig maclarının oynandigi Spor Sergi'de basketbol oynamıs birisi. O zamandan beri yani.
Turklere hakaret edilen ortamda sessiz kalmamanız lazım. Adam olun. Onurlu olun. Cıvık olmayın.
Benimle kufurlesme yarışına girmeye kalkışmasın hicbir velet, sulalesinin bileceginden fazla kufuru bilir bizim nesil, sulalesinin girmis oldugu kavgalardan daha fazlasına da girmisizdir, halen de gireriz.
Benim kapımda bekleyen cok var o gibilerden, işe alınmak icin bekleyen, yabancı ulkede ogrendigi ilkel Ingilizce ile İngilizce bildigini zanneden. Bilirim o tipleri. Yaranmacı, ezik.
Icraatın kadar konu bir icraatın olsun memlekete bir faydan olmuş olsun da ondan sonra adam olup benim burada yaptıgım işi kınamaya kalkış, sesimi kesmeye yelten.
Ben burada bu tavrı koyuyorum, sana ne, sana mı soracağım, Allahın şahsiyetsiz eziği...
Sen ne bilirsin sen acaba Amerikan kültürü, oradaki toplumun yaşantısı vs hakkında, benim yanımda? Sen daha altındaki beze yaparken ben Amerikan medyasında makale yazıyordum. Haddini bil, saygılı ol. Bütün numaran çirkeflikse o tipleri çok fena yaparız ve gondeririz bizim nesil.

Benim sesimi kesmeye kalkışacak piçi görmek isterim ben.
Turklere Turkluge hakaret edilirken sesini çıkaramıyorsan, yoksa sende o, susar seyredersin yalnızca, başkası ne yazıyor, ogrenirsin.
 
My last post on this thread :

CAKAR, now you're saying in Turkish above "I love Turkish sports." Aren't you the same guy who said a few posts above you have written all this BECAUSE OF "your hatred for Turkish sports?" Exact opposite now.
I would give a damn if you would love Turkish sports or not but that was THE reason you had presented for posting the anti-Turkish messages? Remember that?
Your situation is strange really, whatever your motive could be for starting all this awkward campaign and then changing your mind, you love , you don't love...

You need to understand that your posting picture of a leading Turkish sports figure was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (Turkish court proceedings are going on for the person; you are not in position to declare a person a criminal, that's only up to Turkish courts); mentioning leading public and religious figure as someone that "might" have paid you a million dollars, whatever you meant, was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (that man also is respected by many millions.)
There is no need to transform this forum to a "hey, we are hating Turks" platform so that perverts will surface like the one who expressed his fantasy with the 19 litre water, etc. Offensive, what you did.

You're writing in Turkish "always love... I love Turkey..." Really?

To Turkish fans here:
Karsinizdaki adam 60+ yasta, TR'de okunabilecek en iyi okuldan mezun (en yuksek puanla girilebilen, zeka ister, Ingilizce en iyi nerede ogrenebilecekse orası), sonra en ust seviye universiteden mezun, ileri gelen Amerikan sirketinde uzun seneler genel mudurluk yapmıs ust seviye yonetici.
Herhalde pek cogunuzun daha dunyaya gelmemis oldugu zamanda, eskiden lig maclarının oynandigi Spor Sergi'de basketbol oynamıs birisi. O zamandan beri yani.
Turklere hakaret edilen ortamda sessiz kalmamanız lazım. Adam olun. Onurlu olun. Cıvık olmayın.
Benimle kufurlesme yarışına girmeye kalkışmasın hicbir velet, sulalesinin bileceginden fazla kufuru bilir bizim nesil, sulalesinin girmis oldugu kavgalardan daha fazlasına da girmisizdir, halen de gireriz.
Benim kapımda bekleyen cok var o gibilerden, işe alınmak icin bekleyen, yabancı ulkede ogrendigi ilkel Ingilizce ile İngilizce bildigini zanneden. Bilirim o tipleri. Yaranmacı, ezik.
Icraatın kadar konu bir icraatın olsun memlekete bir faydan olmuş olsun da ondan sonra adam olup benim burada yaptıgım işi kınamaya kalkış, sesimi kesmeye yelten.
Ben burada bu tavrı koyuyorum, sana ne, sana mı soracağım, Allahın şahsiyetsiz eziği...
Sen ne bilirsin sen acaba Amerikan kültürü, oradaki toplumun yaşantısı vs hakkında, benim yanımda? Sen daha altındaki beze yaparken ben Amerikan medyasında makale yazıyordum. Haddini bil, saygılı ol. Bütün numaran çirkeflikse o tipleri çok fena yaparız ve gondeririz bizim nesil.

Benim sesimi kesmeye kalkışacak piçi görmek isterim ben.
Turklere Turkluge hakaret edilirken sesini çıkaramıyorsan, yoksa sende o, susar seyredersin yalnızca, başkası ne yazıyor, ogrenirsin.

İyi kariyer. Tebrik ederim. Bizim hepimizin de faklı kariyerleri var. 16 yaşında öğrenci de var, üst düzey yönetici de. Kariyeriniz burada açıkçası umrumuzda değil. Sizden iş dilenecek de değiliz. Bu açıdan hayatınızda mutluluklarınızın devamını dilerim.

Bu forumda bulunma amacımız önce Memo ile başladı, sonra da Enes'i desteklemek oldu. İnanın ki, "Türk"lüğü karalatmadan yapıyoruz bunu. Buradaki forum kullanıcılarının Türkler hakkındaki bundan birkaç yıl öncesindeki düşünceleri ile, şimdiki düşünceleri arasında fark vardır eminim. Bu farkı yaratan da bizleriz. Bazen en doğru strateji, savunma adına saldırı değil, gözlem yaparak, yavaş yavaş derdini anlatmak, fikirlerini paylaşmaktır.

Bunları yaparken de, sonradan gelip ahkam kesen birine hiçbir arkadaşımızı ezdirmeyiz. "Community" dedğimiz şey de budur zaten. İlk tepkim sert olabilir. İnternette tanımadığınız biri sizin için potansiyel "troll"dür. Küfrederek kovmaktan da çekinmem.

Kendimi ifade ettiğimi düşünüyorum. Şimdi, küfürleşmek isterseniz de küfürleşiriz.
 
For the American fans here:

Tom English fans here :Against the man in your 60 + years , the train can be read at the best graduate from school ( the high points that can be entered , intelligence , whether English where best to check Abilecekse there ), then the upper level graduate from college , a leading American companies long years, the General Directorate yapmýs top level admin .
None of that world, to suppose that many more of your time, formerly oynandig Sports League Matches played an exhibition basketball guy. Since then , I mean.
Turk insulted that you should remain silent in the media . Make the man . Be honorable . Do not be runny .
Do not attempt to enter the race with me kufurles hiçbir brat, swearing dynasty bileceginiz knows more than our generation dynasty that penetrated penetrated reservations exclude the more of a fight , we're still enter .
Here I have my door like that of waiting , waiting for work to be taken , the principles you learn in a foreign country when they thought I Speak English with English . I know the type. Yaranmac the loser.
Whether a subject of acts of execution until the country has been a benefit to get the guy after him and condemnation from my job here yaptıgım , attempted to cut my voice .
I 'm putting this attitude here , what , I 'm going to ask me , God's bland loser ...
You know what you wonder American culture, community life , etc. there on my side ? You further decorated under the American media while I was writing the article . Be yourself , be respectful . All those types of numbers çirkefliks 's too bad we do and we send our generation .


Will attempt to interrupt my voice , I would like to see the ******* .
While insulting to Turku do not remove the sound , or you , he thirsts You can watch only what somebody else says , do check .

My favorite part:

Make the man . Be honorable . Do not be runny .
 
My last post on this thread :

CAKAR, now you're saying in Turkish above "I love Turkish sports." Aren't you the same guy who said a few posts above you have written all this BECAUSE OF "your hatred for Turkish sports?" Exact opposite now.
I would give a damn if you would love Turkish sports or not but that was THE reason you had presented for posting the anti-Turkish messages? Remember that?
Your situation is strange really, whatever your motive could be for starting all this awkward campaign and then changing your mind, you love , you don't love...

You need to understand that your posting picture of a leading Turkish sports figure was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (Turkish court proceedings are going on for the person; you are not in position to declare a person a criminal, that's only up to Turkish courts); mentioning leading public and religious figure as someone that "might" have paid you a million dollars, whatever you meant, was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (that man also is respected by many millions.)
There is no need to transform this forum to a "hey, we are hating Turks" platform so that perverts will surface like the one who expressed his fantasy with the 19 litre water, etc. Offensive, what you did.

You're writing in Turkish "always love... I love Turkey..." Really?

To Turkish fans here:
Karsinizdaki adam 60+ yasta, TR'de okunabilecek en iyi okuldan mezun (en yuksek puanla girilebilen, zeka ister, Ingilizce en iyi nerede ogrenebilecekse orası), sonra en ust seviye universiteden mezun, ileri gelen Amerikan sirketinde uzun seneler genel mudurluk yapmıs ust seviye yonetici.
Herhalde pek cogunuzun daha dunyaya gelmemis oldugu zamanda, eskiden lig maclarının oynandigi Spor Sergi'de basketbol oynamıs birisi. O zamandan beri yani.
Turklere hakaret edilen ortamda sessiz kalmamanız lazım. Adam olun. Onurlu olun. Cıvık olmayın.
Benimle kufurlesme yarışına girmeye kalkışmasın hicbir velet, sulalesinin bileceginden fazla kufuru bilir bizim nesil, sulalesinin girmis oldugu kavgalardan daha fazlasına da girmisizdir, halen de gireriz.
Benim kapımda bekleyen cok var o gibilerden, işe alınmak icin bekleyen, yabancı ulkede ogrendigi ilkel Ingilizce ile İngilizce bildigini zanneden. Bilirim o tipleri. Yaranmacı, ezik.
Icraatın kadar konu bir icraatın olsun memlekete bir faydan olmuş olsun da ondan sonra adam olup benim burada yaptıgım işi kınamaya kalkış, sesimi kesmeye yelten.
Ben burada bu tavrı koyuyorum, sana ne, sana mı soracağım, Allahın şahsiyetsiz eziği...
Sen ne bilirsin sen acaba Amerikan kültürü, oradaki toplumun yaşantısı vs hakkında, benim yanımda? Sen daha altındaki beze yaparken ben Amerikan medyasında makale yazıyordum. Haddini bil, saygılı ol. Bütün numaran çirkeflikse o tipleri çok fena yaparız ve gondeririz bizim nesil.

Benim sesimi kesmeye kalkışacak piçi görmek isterim ben.
Turklere Turkluge hakaret edilirken sesini çıkaramıyorsan, yoksa sende o, susar seyredersin yalnızca, başkası ne yazıyor, ogrenirsin.


Bana mı dedin sapık lafını?
 

I hate turkish sports system , I hate turkish sports how it is right now, because I want turkish sports to be successful. Benim borc büyük Turk milete, buyuk sukran sunmak turkiyeye sukran. Ben irony yapmak, sen always anlamamak, sen saygisiz olmak, turk kardeslere iftira etmek hakaret etmek sen. Beni turk kardesler anlamak, sen niye istememek ?

Hocaefendi always big, cok büyük adam. Onun emegini musluman alem bilmek, cok büyük saygi. Ben ironi yapmak, because Aziz Yildirim is saying that the match-fixing scandal was a conspiracy designed by Gülen-Movement. Ben o anlamda saka yapmak. If you want to read, I can continue sending you sources about that point.


"Aziz Yildirim officially is not Fenerbahce President anymore, there has been an ongoing trial process about this issue in turkey, and the high court of appeal has announced that fenerbahce was involved in match-fixing, a few days ago the court of cassation has approved this desicion. They have withdrawn Aziz Yildirim´s authorization as a president of a Sports-franchise and right now he is staying in france, will come back on tuesday 9 p.m and get his well deserved punishment in jail. "

Right now Aziz is back in Istanbul after the turkish court of cassation has approved the desicion about match-fixing. Their is no lie my turkish friend, Iam just telling the truth and Iam more briefed than you about what is going on in turkey right now. Sen Amerikada fazla kalmak, bogaz havasi unutmak

What does turkish court of cassation mean ?

"The Court of Cassation, also called Supreme Court of Appeals of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyet Yargıtay Başkanlığı - Yargıtay for short) which was founded in 1868 is the last instance for reviewing verdicts given by courts of criminal and civil justice."


That means my abla kardes, that the process about Aziz Yildirim is finished and approved by the last turkish instance. The court of Cassation founded in 1886, that goes back as far away as ottoman empire, my abla kardesler. Ben yalan söylememek, hayir, Nein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Cassation_(Turkey)

After he is in jail again in a few days, I will post another picture from your President.But maybe sen gercekleri bilmemek, ögrenmek istemek ayip olmamak. Lutfan benim turk kardasler hakaret etmemek ben rica etmek. Sen iftira atmak, ben hakli ve dogru söylemek... Ve sen kibirli olmak, biz zamanda bir parca ekmek paylasmaktan gurur duymak. Ben 4 dil bilmek hava atmamak.

Wir können auch deutsch reden wenn sie möchten, Herr Krespino ? Oder wäre ihn eine andere Sprache für unsere weiter führende Konversation lieber ?
 
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ölü taklidi yapın da gitsin bu troll.

piç diyor ona buna, karşısında kimler var bilmeden saygısızca.

küfür yarışıymış falan filan...
adam olan böyle konuşmaz.
60+ yaşında olan da böyle konuşmaz.
adam dövdüm, kendimi savunmuştum, karakolluk olduk; o şahsa bile böyle bir üslubum olmadı.
demem o ki insan bazı sözleri-davranışları düşmanına bile yakıştırmaz.

Gelmiş bu abimiz kemal yaşına? yersen. hiç inanmadım. 60 yaşına gelip kemalattan bu kadar yoksun kalana anca acırım.

en ufak adaptan mahrum, Türk Milleti'nin onurunu koruyacak!
Ahahaha
Sana mı kaldı bu?
Burada 8 yıldır sırf Türk diye Memo'nun ve şimdi EK'nın haklarını savunuruz.
Hatta sempati yaratsın diye Memo'ya haksızca yüklendiğimiz de oldu ki yerli taraftarları adamı savunsun diye...

Sen daha yeni gelmişsin... (daha fazlas açıklamaya gerek de yok ki!)

Hadi yavrum, hadi anam; Şefkat Tepesi başlamış hadi git takıl!

PS: Bu forumda Hafız-ı Kur'an bile var, neyin kafasısın sen?
ha bu arada sanatkar abilerimiz var, bendeniz de naçizane öğretim üyesiyim.
TOEFL belgemi katlayıp göndereceğim, sen takılırsın keyfince.
Ha istersen yazdığımkitaplar ile Almanca dil belgemi de vereyim.
maksat keyif olsun, zevk !!!

Kimse kimseye okuduğu okulla hava atmasın, bunun kadar ayıp bir şey tahayyül edemiyorum.

son olarak hepimiz için gelsin: Edep ya Hu!
 
My last post on this thread :

CAKAR, now you're saying in Turkish above "I love Turkish sports." Aren't you the same guy who said a few posts above you have written all this BECAUSE OF "your hatred for Turkish sports?" Exact opposite now.
I would give a damn if you would love Turkish sports or not but that was THE reason you had presented for posting the anti-Turkish messages? Remember that?
Your situation is strange really, whatever your motive could be for starting all this awkward campaign and then changing your mind, you love , you don't love...

You need to understand that your posting picture of a leading Turkish sports figure was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (Turkish court proceedings are going on for the person; you are not in position to declare a person a criminal, that's only up to Turkish courts); mentioning leading public and religious figure as someone that "might" have paid you a million dollars, whatever you meant, was unnecessary and offensive to Turks (that man also is respected by many millions.)
There is no need to transform this forum to a "hey, we are hating Turks" platform so that perverts will surface like the one who expressed his fantasy with the 19 litre water, etc. Offensive, what you did.

You're writing in Turkish "always love... I love Turkey..." Really?

To Turkish fans here:
Karsinizdaki adam 60+ yasta, TR'de okunabilecek en iyi okuldan mezun (en yuksek puanla girilebilen, zeka ister, Ingilizce en iyi nerede ogrenebilecekse orası), sonra en ust seviye universiteden mezun, ileri gelen Amerikan sirketinde uzun seneler genel mudurluk yapmıs ust seviye yonetici.
Herhalde pek cogunuzun daha dunyaya gelmemis oldugu zamanda, eskiden lig maclarının oynandigi Spor Sergi'de basketbol oynamıs birisi. O zamandan beri yani.
Turklere hakaret edilen ortamda sessiz kalmamanız lazım. Adam olun. Onurlu olun. Cıvık olmayın.
Benimle kufurlesme yarışına girmeye kalkışmasın hicbir velet, sulalesinin bileceginden fazla kufuru bilir bizim nesil, sulalesinin girmis oldugu kavgalardan daha fazlasına da girmisizdir, halen de gireriz.
Benim kapımda bekleyen cok var o gibilerden, işe alınmak icin bekleyen, yabancı ulkede ogrendigi ilkel Ingilizce ile İngilizce bildigini zanneden. Bilirim o tipleri. Yaranmacı, ezik.
Icraatın kadar konu bir icraatın olsun memlekete bir faydan olmuş olsun da ondan sonra adam olup benim burada yaptıgım işi kınamaya kalkış, sesimi kesmeye yelten.
Ben burada bu tavrı koyuyorum, sana ne, sana mı soracağım, Allahın şahsiyetsiz eziği...
Sen ne bilirsin sen acaba Amerikan kültürü, oradaki toplumun yaşantısı vs hakkında, benim yanımda? Sen daha altındaki beze yaparken ben Amerikan medyasında makale yazıyordum. Haddini bil, saygılı ol. Bütün numaran çirkeflikse o tipleri çok fena yaparız ve gondeririz bizim nesil.

Benim sesimi kesmeye kalkışacak piçi görmek isterim ben.
Turklere Turkluge hakaret edilirken sesini çıkaramıyorsan, yoksa sende o, susar seyredersin yalnızca, başkası ne yazıyor, ogrenirsin.

Nedim karakas detected
nedim pls go
 
FB gave Kanter a royal screwing for he insisted on keeping his amateur status, which he did!
Fenerbahce just convinced the NCAA, which does not necessarily mean tha FB was right in its claims.
School fees paid = pro? That is poor logic!
Shame on you Nedim & Co for having tried to screw a young kid's career plans.
That was ruthless but HE prevailed!
now suffer in silence!
:)
 
FB gave Kanter a royal screwing for he insisted on keeping his amateur status, which he did!
Fenerbahce just convinced the NCAA, which does not necessarily mean tha FB was right in its claims.
School fees paid = pro? That is poor logic!
Shame on you Nedim & Co for having tried to screw a young kid's career plans.
That was ruthless but HE prevailed!
now suffer in silence!
:)

I've explained, it should't be difficult to capture, for any person of average intelligence; once more I'm explaining :
(I don't know what kind of lies have been transmitted here about this issue before I joined.)

The NCAA board has asked for the ACCOUNTING BOOKS /RECORDS of Fenerbahce club. And the payment appeared in the records !! Unfortunately maybe, but it did appear, because there was a payment.
The NCAA board gets the fact of any payment made and for what reason, and then THEY themselves make the evaluation on whether the payment would breach his amateur status or not, AS PER NCAA'S RULES AND PRINCIPLES... Understandably.
They did not even ask for Fenerbahce's view or evaluation, they asked only for the simple fact.
What was Fenerbahce club supposed to do? You're never answering that simple question.
What Fenerbahce claims are you talking about? Nonsense.

But obviously some people have twisted this reality around, created a totally false and bogus story, around hatred for Fenerbahce, and presented to the American public.

But the Utah Jazz franchise should understand that it's those people's mentality that caused the slump that Enes has encountered early this season!
As I seeit, they are using Enes in the campaign for hatred for Fenerbahce (other aspects are involved in that issue which makes it quite broad);
it's because of these influences on him, per my evaluation, that Enes has done unbeliavable things.
Not only refusing to join the national team, of which he was a member till then, which let us say was his choice, but he has publicly tweeted pleasure and joy when the national team lost their game...
Unprecedented, awkward; no one in the world can think of a sensible reason.
The Turkish public was appalled, he has put himself into a very bad situation PR-wise. Who cares if you want to play or not, but why the hatred? Are you a politician, what are you trying to do...
Totally immature and childish it was. My guess is, after doing things like this, he contemplated and said oh my god what did I do... His psychology must have been affected, and his focus on basketball, at the start of the season.
Fortunately he seems to have overcome that stage recently, and is playing better.

Those Fenerbahce or whatever haters should be expelled from around Enes... Leave the boy out of all that...
(Regarding Okur's mentoring Enes... I don't think so; I seriously do not think any current or former member of the national team will even accept to speak with Enes... He acted childishly. He insulted the nation, the country; why? nobody has a clue... In fact I would be very interested to know if he himself has a clue...)
 
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