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Millsapa said:
It is a punishment. What work is it supposed to do?
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It would be nice if it wasn't a huge net negative for all us innocent folks.

I've never understood the logic of locking someone up because they're dangerous, doing nothing to make them less dangerous, then after the timer goes off we release them back onto the innocent. Just really doesn't make sense to me.
 
Gameface said:
It would be nice if it wasn't a huge net negative for all us innocent folks.

I've never understood the logic of locking someone up because they're dangerous, doing nothing to make them less dangerous, then after the timer goes off we release them back onto the innocent. Just really doesn't make sense to me.
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You lock someone up who broke the law because that is the only punishment liberals allow. Then once they are in there they get to sit idly, go to college on the taxpayer, play basketball, lift weights, and then they can get out for "good behavior" years earlier than their sentence. Then if they get the death penalty we let them prolong their life for decades with appeals. It ain't how I would run things.
 
Gameface said:
It would be nice if it wasn't a huge net negative for all us innocent folks.

I've never understood the logic of locking someone up because they're dangerous, doing nothing to make them less dangerous, then after the timer goes off we release them back onto the innocent. Just really doesn't make sense to me.
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Most Prisons are equipped with rehabilitation programs, higher education assistance, general education assistance, trade schools, counseling, etc...the problem you have is you can force inmates to go to these classes, but you can't force them to want to change their life. I've talked to plenty of people who say the "hustle" is too exciting of a lifestyle to give up. I'd be interested in hearing realistic suggestions from you and Joker as to how to fix the system by forcing hardened criminals to be open to suggestions from couselors.

It's a shame that such a large percentage of our population, per capita (in comparison to other nations), are locked up. However, instead of feeling sorry for them for being locked up I tend to feel more sorry for the victims of their crimes.
 
Millsapa said:
You lock someone up who broke the law because that is the only punishment liberals allow. Then once they are in there they get to sit idly, go to college on the taxpayer, play basketball, lift weights, and then they can get out for "good behavior" years earlier than their sentence. Then if they get the death penalty we let them prolong their life for decades with appeals. It ain't how I would run things.
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How would you run things?

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Educate me on France's prison system....because I googled "France's Prison System" and this was the first story I got with these quotes:

https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/22/french-prisons-treiber-detainee-death

France's overburdened and dysfunctional prison system has come under renewed scrutiny after one of the country's most notorious detainees killed himself in his cell just months after escaping from his first jail in a cardboard box.
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Edit: More from the story above:

With 109 inmates taking their own lives in 2008, 115 in 2009 and already 18 – including Treiber's – this year, according to the Ban Public association, France has one of the highest prison suicides rates in Europe. The system as a whole is regularly criticised by the European Court of Human Rights for failing to provide basic standards of care for detainees.
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Boondocksaint27 said:
Most Prisons are equipped with rehabilitation programs, higher education assistance, general education assistance, trade schools, counseling, etc...the problem you have is you can force inmates to go to these classes, but you can't force them to want to change their life. I've talked to plenty of people who say the "hustle" is too exciting of a lifestyle to give up. I'd be interested in hearing realistic suggestions from you and Joker as to how to fix the system by forcing hardened criminals to be open to suggestions from couselors.

It's a shame that such a large percentage of our population, per capita (in comparison to other nations), are locked up. However, instead of feeling sorry for them for being locked up I tend to feel more sorry for the victims of their crimes.
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Well first I'd take about 75% of people in jail out of jail... you know for the kids.... I mean money. Then we'd evaluate the mental state of the remaining prisoners, and find out the deep reasons of why they did the job they did. And then slowly try to restore balance to their life, as so they might contribute to society rather than take away from it.

Lets say you had a guy who robbed a bank... if you could give me an absolute guarantee that he's no longer a detriment to society (and I know that's impossible, but for argument's sake)... my policy would be let him go.

The fact of the matter is... punishment and negative reinforcement really only edify the victim, and rarely help the culprit. Which is why it's absolute nonsense that victim-less crimes carry the weight that they do.

I care about people... that's my cross to bear.
 
The-Joker said:
Well first I'd take about 75% of people in jail out of jail... you know for the kids.... I mean money. Then we'd evaluate the mental state of the remaining prisoners, and find out the deep reasons of why they did the job they did. And then slowly try to restore balance to their life, as so they might contribute to society rather than take away from it.

Lets say you had a guy who robbed a bank... if you could give me an absolute guarantee that he's no longer a detriment to society (and I know that's impossible, but for argument's sake)... my policy would be let him go.

The fact of the matter is... punishment and negative reinforcement really only edify the victim, and rarely help the culprit. Which is why it's absolute nonsense that victim-less crimes carry the weight that they do.

I care about people... that's my cross to bear.
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Are you a jedi or jesus?
 
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