Ahhh sweet vindication!
This season will vindicate Ty Corbin
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gregbroncs
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Most of the complaints about Corbin have nothing to do with the quality of the team last year. We did not expect or even want to win. What we expected was for our vets who basically announced they were leaving after the year to not play so many minutes. To have an offense that looked like it belonged in a professional league and to have players play through the end of the year and not quit.
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He did not do any of the things that should have been his priority last year (or the year before). I'll not say everything was his fault. But he was probably the worst coach in the league for our team last year. We needed a coach that understood what we were trying to accomplish, he didn't. We needed a coach to plan for the future of the franchise, he didn't.
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That doesn't mean he was the worst coach (though I think he was). But he did not fit the direction of the team.
Stifle Tower
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Bump...
just for ***** and giggles!
just for ***** and giggles!
And he was also the worst coach.
fallenchicken
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Giving Evans time over Gobert is a decision being vindicated now...
vegas
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one of my favs
https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/what-is-my-motivation-the-tyrone-corbin-edition/
Corbin was not a bad coach, he is just not exceptional. There are only 30 guys in the world that aspire to the job he got at any one time. It's not a freak accident he is a coach for the second time.
The thing is as fans we are looking for the exceptional, like once in a decade type coaches. We were spoiled to have Sloan and Johnson who made an impact immediately and took teams to the playoffs that were predicted to be in the toilet. QS is showing flashes of brilliance. The silent treatment, "wake up". Moments when a coaching decision made a huge impact on a game. Those are the type of moments that give us hope that we may have found one once again.
QS is leading the Jazz to vast improvement. I am thrilled with him as a coach.
However Corbin was never put in a position to succeed in Sactown, as soon as they fired malone and promoted Corbint hey were doing this public dance about looking for a coach. They made it very clear they didn't want Corbin. To say he was a "mistkae" is unfair.
They said he was a mistake, not me. But I would agree with them.
They treated Corbin like crap and should be ashamed of hwo they acted as an FO imo.
You don't want him? Fine. But they boardered on publicly humilating him after not giving him a fair shake in the first place. I wouldn't have busted my butt for them either.
Corbin is a good dude and he deserved better.
Have not yet found the quote where they said he was a mistake, but this is a good start:
" After the abrupt firing of Malone, who feuded with majority owner Vivek Ranadive and not been on speaking terms with general manager Pete D’Alessandro for the several months, the original plan was to retain Corbin for the rest of the season and conduct an extensive coaching search in April....
But the team’s ongoing slump, visible lack of competitiveness, and an increasingly disgruntled fan base prompted management to move more quickly."
Corbin is a nice guy but not a good NBA HC. This thread deserves to go into the all time Hall of Shame.
Them saying that only furthers my argument that Sactown did Corbin wrong.
But I agree that Corbin is not a good HC. But he seems to be a good assistant coach.
Ty in "action" in Sactown. this kind of thing should not happen at the high school level and demonstrate that you are not cut out to get paid millions to strategize basketball games:
"The Kings trailed by one point with 51 seconds left. Dallas ran down the clock until Dirk Nowitzki missed a one-legged fader. But the loose ball was tapped deep into the backcourt, where Chandler Parsons tracked it down. Twenty-five seconds left, Dallas by one. Sacramento has a foul to give, and the Kings’ Ray McCallum does so with 19 seconds left. There’s a four-second differential between the shot clock and game clock, and Sacramento has plenty of timeouts.
Corbin has two options. He can foul immediately on the inbounds to put a Mav on the line with 16-18 seconds left and no worse than a three-point deficit, or he can let the shot clock run down, pray that the Mavericks miss and the Kings get the rebound and call a quick timeout, giving Sacramento a final chance to win.
Instead, Corbin chose Door No. 3: He let 10 seconds run off the clock before telling McCallum to foul Ellis.
Ellis hit both, and Rick Carlisle took the opportunity to intentionally foul Darren Collison given how little time was left. The Mavericks won by four and the Kings never even got a chance to tie or go ahead in that final minute.
Now if Corbin had explained that there was a miscommunication, that he intended to let the Mavericks shoot but saw something he didn’t like, that he wanted his team to try to trap or whatever, you could almost understand.
Instead, this was Corbin’s rationale.
Kings coach Ty Corbin said when he saw Dallas take their time on final play, then decided to foul Monta Ellis
— Sean Cunningham (@News10Sean) January 14, 2015
So Corbin thought a veteran team coached by Rick Carlisle might rush up a shot with a 4-second shot clock differential and a one-point lead.
… what?
This is the type of thing that drove Jazz faithful batty as Corbin coached that team and it has swaths of Sacramento again bemoaning the firing of Michael Malone. The mistake was bad enough in real time. Hearing Corbin’s explanation actually made it worse. That’s impressive.
Judging NBA coaches is extremely difficult and grading them out is one of the mysterious arts of NBA management. But when head coaches botch incredibly simple situations like this, it all becomes a little easier. There’s a basic threshold of strategic knowledge all NBA head coaches should be able to meet, and on Tuesday Corbin fell short. That matters."
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The Fresh Prince
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Yes, Corbin was a bad coach. He landed both jobs on luck. You all seem to be forgetting he started a shot Richard Jefferson for a full season last year and gave Randy Foye the starting job over Burks.
The guy also couldn't do playcalling to save his life.
seattlejazzfan
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Just wow.
Getting Traded
Banned
I wonder how Franklin feels now? Unbelievable the way the Jazz are playing now compared to last year. In fact, I don't remember such passion since the heyday of Jerry. He should apologize to the board for how he constantly badgered everyone with his obnoxious love affair with Corbin, who probably, at least in my opinion, ruined Kanter (though he is still young enough to recover).
It would be nice if Franklin at least made one last comment on this thread for closure. But I know he probably will make the same lame excuses that he did in the past. Well, maybe Ty is a nice guy and he does wear nice ties, but he is not a good head coach. I'm sure he is good at other things -- he was a good enough player to last more than a decade in the NBA, which is more than most of us are able to do. So, it's not like the guy is inept. He just isn't a good head coach.
It would be nice if Franklin at least made one last comment on this thread for closure. But I know he probably will make the same lame excuses that he did in the past. Well, maybe Ty is a nice guy and he does wear nice ties, but he is not a good head coach. I'm sure he is good at other things -- he was a good enough player to last more than a decade in the NBA, which is more than most of us are able to do. So, it's not like the guy is inept. He just isn't a good head coach.
candrew
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This is eerily similar to The Jazz-Nets game last year with Brooklyn up by 4 with 35 seconds to go Corbin waits 20 seconds before instructing a Jazz player to foul. When asking his rationale for waiting so long to foul he said he initially thought The Nets would try to go 2-for-1.
Now even the greatest coaches of all time are subject to second guessing - and rightfully so; but Corbin's end-of-game management was the worst I've ever seen at the professional level.
And yes I'm beating a dead horse.
gregbroncs
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Any argument that he was not a bad coach was just shot to **** by that story. Corbin was a terrible coach. I'd argue there are 80 coaches in college that are better than Corbin ever will be. And currently 30 in the NBA and probably a ton more in Europe. An NBA coach can't make mistakes like the one in that story, just complete stupidity.
I was at a Jazz game in the year Corbin took over. Jazz were leading by 1, Milsap got fouled with like 1 second left. He made the first, looked to the bench to see if he should try to make the second. It was a situation where if he missed you knew that the other team would not have time to get a timeout, or at least have maybe 0.4 left. Corbin told him to make it which he did. Other team called timeout, got the ball over halfcourt to inbound, made the 3 point shot, won in overtime. Retarded.