This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[gregbroncs]

Since I can not edit that post without retyping it. I'll add here that Ty has been anything but vindicated by this season as the thread title by Franklin states he will be. If anything he's been proven to be a bad coach. The team started the season with less proven talent and being far younger. Yet it's developed exponentially faster than it every did under Ty. Not only that but Ty himself took over another franchise and not only did they not get better after firing their coach they got dramatically worse.
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To claim in any way that he has been vindicated is a lie. Or a serious troll job, which of course is what Frank is going for.

 

[GVC]

And Yet Jefferson was still playing more minutes than deserved despite being terrible and announcing he was on the way out. Ty was supposed to see what we had in the young guys and develop a defensive system. He didn't do either of these things. Quin in half a season has done more (with less mind you) than Ty did in 4 seasons towards developing that defensive identity. All while also putting in an offense that actually passes the eye test of NBA quality.

1. Two seasons ago, I would have loved for some of AJ's minutes to go to Kanter. With that said, it's a pretty minor gripe. AJ and Millsap would have received big minutes (relative to Kanter and Favors) under every coach in the league. They were fringe all-stars in their prime, and have continued to be productive bi minute players since leaving. If that core was going nowhere, and it was time to start anew with young players (including building a suitable system around them), the responsibility lies entirely with the FO to make the appropriate moves.

2. Coaches build systems around their personnel. Building a defense around Rudy Gobert is a hell of a lot easier than building one around Al Jefferson (and a bunch of weak young perimeter players). What are the main differences between Ty's defense last season and Quin's defense this season?

 

[stitches]

Still trolling Frank.

Quin >>>>>Ty.

Don't think Ty will ever be a head coach inthe NBA again, but Quin would be highly in demand if he weren't under contract. The plain and simple fact is that the team regressed under Ty's leadership and has excelled under Quin's. It's time to let it go.

First step is admitting you were wrong. I promise, it's not that hard. As my wife tells me all the time.

You don't get it... here is how it works:

1. predict this season will vindicate Corbin.
2. put a prediction that an average coach will win 35 wins with the youngest team in the league in the west.
3. say that a 40 win season will be more than enough to win your love.

4. return one month before the end of the season when it looks more and more like it's possible for this coach to actually win 40 games or at least come close to it; change the terms to include stuff like "changing the system" into the consideration, but don't share why that would actually increase the likelihood of this move raising the win-total as opposed to decreasing it, especially with the expectation that the season would vindicate Corbin.
5. fail to take into account injuries that forced Snyder to play D-Leaguers serious minutes for more than half the season.
6. Declare victory...

 

[BabyPeterzz]

27 pages? Well done, Frank.

 

[gregbroncs]

1. Two seasons ago, I would have loved for some of AJ's minutes to go to Kanter. With that said, it's a pretty minor gripe. AJ and Millsap would have received big minutes (relative to Kanter and Favors) under every coach in the league. They were fringe all-stars in their prime, and have continued to be productive bi minute players since leaving. If that core was going nowhere, and it was time to start anew with young players (including building a suitable system around them), the responsibility lies entirely with the FO to make the appropriate moves.

2. Coaches build systems around their personnel. Building a defense around Rudy Gobert is a hell of a lot easier than building one around Al Jefferson (and a bunch of weak young perimeter players). What are the main differences between Ty's defense last season and Quin's defense this season?

I'm talking about Richard Jefferson. The guy playing more than Burks most of the season, and almost as much as Hayward. My gripe is that Richard Jefferson was playing instead of Burks, Hayward both better than him that year. He pretty much announced he was leaving and didn't lose any minutes after. Despite the FO showing that they were going young to develop young guys. Corbin had Gobert. He didn't play him. And he had Veterans in Richard Jefferson starting all season on the wing. His defensive system sucked, his offensive system was a joke. Gobert improved dramatically this year because he played. Last year it was more important to Ty to get Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams minutes than Gobert and Burks. It's his fault he couldn't build a defense around Gobert, he had him available.

 

[LogGrad98]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

It's almost safe to say that most teams with Rudy would be at least an above average defensive team.

 

[spycam1]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

Inserting Exum into the starting lineup also contributed to the defensive improvement.

 

[GVC]

I'm talking about Richard Jefferson. The guy playing more than Burks most of the season, and almost as much as Hayward. My gripe is that Richard Jefferson was playing instead of Burks, Hayward both better than him that year. He pretty much announced he was leaving and didn't lose any minutes after. Despite the FO showing that they were going young to develop young guys. Corbin had Gobert. He didn't play him. And he had Veterans in Richard Jefferson starting all season on the wing. His defensive system sucked, his offensive system was a joke. Gobert improved dramatically this year because he played. Last year it was more important to Ty to get Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams minutes than Gobert and Burks. It's his fault he couldn't build a defense around Gobert, he had him available.

Burks got plenty of minutes. Bringing him off the bench (along with Kanter) gave him more opportunities to play on-ball. RJ filled an off-ball role (and was a more physical defender). This is pretty minor; I doubt a few more minutes per game, with a lot more minutes played off-ball would have made any difference in Alec's development.

As for Rudy, we have no idea how he looked in practice, and he didn't really show all that much in the spot minutes he received last season.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

Quin was preaching defense, but stuck starting Kanter and Burke until Gobert and Exum proved up to the task. Many thought Gobert was too raw for extended minutes and nearly everyone thought Exum would bust hard in the starting lineup. Kudos to Quin for having faith in his guys.

 

[Getting Traded]

What are the main differences between Ty's defense last season and Quin's defense this season?

Probably the biggest difference in the defense is intensity. Ty did not inspire the players with confidence because he didn't appear confident himself, and he always was so blasé and without passion. Quin, on the other hand, is very intense and sure of himself, and it has carried over to the team.

 

[GVC]

You don't get it... here is how it works:

1. predict this season will vindicate Corbin.
2. put a prediction that an average coach will win 35 wins with the youngest team in the league in the west.
3. say that a 40 win season will be more than enough to win your love.

4. return one month before the end of the season when it looks more and more like it's possible for this coach to actually win 40 games or at least come close to it; change the terms to include stuff like "changing the system" into the consideration, but don't share why that would actually increase the likelihood of this move raising the win-total as opposed to decreasing it, especially with the expectation that the season would vindicate Corbin.
5. fail to take into account injuries that forced Snyder to play D-Leaguers serious minutes for more than half the season.
6. Declare victory...

Unless you used to be someone else, you haven't been around long enough to understand Franklin. He added a much needed contrary element to the groupthink on the board, and almost always supported his arguments with insightful information. Instead of engaging him intellectually, the vast majority of people on the board threw **** around like ****ing apes, and effectively drove him away. He pops up now and then to troll a little now, probably because there's no one left willing to have an intelligent, nuanced discussion on the Jazz board.