This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[gregbroncs]

Too much speculation for me. There's a much simpler explanation anyway. That, and you seem to have completely forgotten just how bad Rudy was a lot of the time last season. Exciting, sure, but bad at many things.

Gobert is a confident dude, and if anything, Quin pushed that confidence up a notch when the time was right. He had to gain muscle and quit getting bullied, and quit making stupid fouls and going for pump fakes. He proved he could do that two months into the season and then Quin pushed him to use his confidence to full effect by playing his game without limitations.

As much as you think there is a what if here, Corbin just did not have that opportunity last year. If he had, there is a good likelihood Kanter gets benched sooner, and also that he isn't fired for his lack of defensive identity. It's pretty damn easy to defend the perimeter when the opposing team is scared ****less of driving on Gobert and Favors (James Harden hahalmafo).

THAT's too much speculation for you? A guy who guesses that the worst coach in the league last year would have more wins with our current roster than our current coach? Who has this team performing far better than any team Corbin ever coached.

 

[Gameface]

Again, this narrative fails to account for the growth that the vets assisted the young guys with. Corbin played vets over undeserving rookies and youngins to keep some semblance of a system for these kids to learn from and grow within.


What you and Log are asking for is Corbin to go the Philadelphia route. Go back in time and watch them "develop" talent the last couple seasons and then come back and tell me you still hate the way Ty did it. Besides, as GVC has pointed out a million times, Corbin never played vets over the young guys. They were complimentary both from a minutes standpoint and usage rate. No other team in the NBA had 5 guys averaging double figures shot attempts per game (Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke).

My comment doesn't really have anything to do with vets vs rookies. Corbin just seemed, from my perspective, to lack creativity. He also seemed especially bad at preparing the team for short clock situations. He took very few chances and ran the team according to the book. The old book.

 

[VINYLONE]

Posting in this abomination of a thread. Franklin was so off base with this post that I hope he doesn't use the same judgement with life decisions. There's a very good chance he spent his kid's college money on a get rich quick scheme.

In regards to Mr. Snyder, he has done everything I've wanted him to do in splendid fashion. Has he been perfect? No. But he has been light years ahead of Mr. Corbin.

Edited to add: I will continue to support Snyder and his penchant for getting the most out of our Jazz players...until I don't.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I was a more insightful coach for my ten year old daughter's soccer team than Corbin was for the Jazz... and I hardly ever even played or watched soccer before coaching it. Listening to Corbin's post game comments as a fan used to be an excruciating experience. Imagine being a player and having to endure daily platitudes from Kermit the Frog. Or am I the only one who thinks that listening to Snyder speak is on an entirely different plane than listening to a Corbin. It's like listening to George Costanza v.s. Stephen Hawking discussing cosmology. As ridiculous as most of us fans think that the OP's assertions are, I'll bet the players would think they are absolutely moronic.

 

[zman1527]

My comment doesn't really have anything to do with vets vs rookies. Corbin just seemed, from my perspective, to lack creativity. He also seemed especially bad at preparing the team for short clock situations. He took very few chances and ran the team according to the book. The old book.

To my view, he was indecisive and confused, did not have a plan or a vision. How long did it take him to get assistant coaches because he did not know who he wanted. Compare that to Steve Kerr who had it all wired BEFORE becoming head coach: assistants, strategy, vision, tactics, even individual player development plans. And notice the praise heaped on Quin by Harpring about how practices are now run.

The best the Ty "vindicators" can do is come up for some excuses for his failures. They do not point to, nor can they, anything significant that indicates he was a good HC.

 

[Stoked]

Even Locke is gettin in on the "Snyedr didn't inprove D till the Knater trade" argument.

"@Lockedonsports: Jazz Def Rank by Month
Oct: 30th
Nov: 26th (107 pts per 100)
Dec: 25th 107
Jan: 15th 102
Feb: 2nd 97
Mar 1st 91"

 

[Gameface]

Even Locke is gettin in on the "Snyedr didn't inprove D till the Knater trade" argument.

"@Lockedonsports: Jazz Def Rank by Month
Oct: 30th
Nov: 26th (107 pts per 100)
Dec: 25th 107
Jan: 15th 102
Feb: 2nd 97
Mar 1st 91"

Kanter was here in Jan and the Jazz had obviously started turning the corner.

But yeah, having a player emerge as one of the most elite defenders in a generation is bound to help the teams overall defensive rating. Without Gobert the jazz might be flirting with being in the top 20, but that's still a pretty big improvement over the course of the season.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?

Well, another way to look at that would be that practices this year must be far more effective than practices last year, considering his jump in performance.

As far as taking minutes away, there were plenty being given to rented vets. Did us no good.

Too much speculation for me.

Too much speculation? If it wasn't "clicking" in Ty's practices, but it was clicking in Quin's, wouldn't the implication be that Quin's are more effective?


Either way, I was among those that called for Ty to get a chance. But I am also among those that feel like he wasn't up to the chance he got, which is why he isn't coaching any more.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

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[LifeOnaPlate]

The best the Ty "vindicators" can do is come up for some excuses for his failures. They do not point to, nor can they, anything significant that indicates he was a good HC.

Yup. This officially wins the thread. There has been zero defense of Corbin based on any positives he brought. Just excuses about why he failed. And man, did he ever fail in spectacular fashion.


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[franklin]

Even Locke is gettin in on the "Snyedr didn't inprove D till the Knater trade" argument.

"@Lockedonsports: Jazz Def Rank by Month
Oct: 30th
Nov: 26th (107 pts per 100)
Dec: 25th 107
Jan: 15th 102
Feb: 2nd 97
Mar 1st 91"

It's because I tweeted him this badass Rudy Gobert graphic the other day: https://s1092.photobucket.com/user/poindexter3/media/Gobert Effect_zpsnm7r198z.jpg.html

Can anyone figure out why that won't embed? I've posted a hundred pictures from that account here.

 

[franklin]

My comment doesn't really have anything to do with vets vs rookies. Corbin just seemed, from my perspective, to lack creativity. He also seemed especially bad at preparing the team for short clock situations. He took very few chances and ran the team according to the book. The old book.

I never had an issue with his late clock management, and always saw the complaints as coming from those waiting with baited breath. They started with that inbounds play that Jefferson screwed up and Mo chucked a long contested three. It was a pretty common triangle post with a cross screen for a three play, but Jefferson wandered out to the 3 point line instead of posting up deeper. If you find that game thread you'll see fans were looking for something to bitch about and nobody actually used any bball knowledge to analyze the situation.

That continued on through this season with fans complaining that Corbin chose to take the ball out of Dirk's hands (clutch 90+% free throw shooter) before fouling. It was great in game coaching yet he got berated for it -- mostly because Grantland felt slighted by his refusal to answer there questions and have been on a tirade ever since.

To my view, he was indecisive and confused, did not have a plan or a vision. How long did it take him to get assistant coaches because he did not know who he wanted.

About as long as it took the Jazz to decide on head coach Quin.

Yup. This officially wins the thread. There has been zero defense of Corbin based on any positives he brought. Just excuses about why he failed. And man, did he ever fail in spectacular fashion.


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Corbin was an excellent game planner and, as I've shown many time, squeezed the most out of what he had in the most efficient manner possible. His gaming against Houston comes to mind, with his creativity to pull Howard out of the paint by switching up plays involving Kanter.

Too much speculation? If it wasn't "clicking" in Ty's practices, but it was clicking in Quin's, wouldn't the implication be that Quin's are more effective?

The implication would be that a young kid needed time to grow and develop. I don't get why you think a coach can crawl inside a players head and put the alligator clamps in all the right spots.

You brought up recency bias a while back and that's what I see when reading your posts here. It's like you've completely forgotten Rudy's play last season. That wasn't coaching, it was youth.