fallenchicken
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Leonard, 12 days a slave. Excellent post. Mad rep.
This site has jumped the tuna fish by turning on Hayward
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Leonard, 12 days a slave. Excellent post. Mad rep.
While I agree that the market sets the price but in reality the market value is what anyone will pay and not what the player wants. Regardless, if there are only 30 teams and 450 players each player is eventually replaceable. Very few players are that good that they are not replaceable, Hayward is not one of those players. So if the Jazz decide the market price is higher than they want to pay then they can move their asset (Hayward) to get back a draft pick that would be used to replace Hayward. A replacement who could potentially replace his output at a cheaper price. That is good business.
b_line
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The only way that happens is if they give Hayward the five year max like Paul George got, and that just is t happening. The reason they won't lose other players is because burks and kanter are not max guys, and burke's rookie deal will not end until Hayward's extension is done, assuming he gets the four year extension. The only thing it really affects is the ability to sign a max free agent, and that was never really a concern here anyways, as it's not happening.
Another consideration is that the salary cap is going to be a lot higher at the end of Hayward's contract than it is now, so we will have more ability to sign other players/extend the ones we have.
The real problem with keeping the team together comes after Hayward and favors deals expire. If they are both max players at that point, you want to keep them, but we might have Burke and hopefully Jabari/wiggins playing at a max level too. So at that point, you have to trade or not re-sign someone. But that is 4 1/2 years from now, and not hinged at all on the contract extension that Hayward signs at the end of this year.
If a team is willing to pay it then he's not asking for too much.
The idea that $2 million per year doesn't matter is funny. Maybe some context is important: $2 million (ANNUALLY) is a big deal to a team up against or above the LT (which ANY [hopeful] contender HAVE to consider). Furthermore, the Jazz are looking at trying to keep as many above-MLE/below max worthy players as possible which is dangerous territory. Paying one guy $2 million more than you should creates leverage for other good-but-not-great Jazz players to do the same. That extra money also creates an inevitably increased expectation at the time of the next negotiation for a player.
Building a roster with championship contention in mind isn't ever easy, and it's much harder for a team that can't operate above the LT for more than a year at a time. The Spurs - for example - are able to keep their core and even add a few small pieces because their core have been underpaid.
Building a roster with championship contention in mind isn't ever easy, and it's much harder for a team that can't operate above the LT for more than a year at a time. The Spurs - for example - are able to keep their core and even add a few small pieces because their core have been underpaid.
Ya, actually 9% is not that big a deal in the NBA. Call it laughable, or look at all the contracts signed with this margin in mind... punch your calculator through the desk all you want building the optimal squad, but it's based on YOUR baseline and those assumptions only. The world is bigger than that.
What you're getting at IMO is overall teambuilding value, not specific player value. Hayward, Deng.... even Rudy ****ing Gay can be traded (twice). I also don't want to overpay for Hayward but it is nowhere near the killer that AK's or OST00's contracts were. Hayward will have Deng value, mark it down.
fallenchicken
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Not saying everyone who wants to trade Hayward is irrational; there are other options to consider. But most of the threads/sentiments that have been popping up on this forum have had a bitterness/irrationality to them, usually regarding the fact that Hay didn't resign and the team is losing, and he's "the guy" on a losing team, therefore gets the blame.
freakazoid
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I love the irony/stupidity of NBA fans.
Without mentioning names, Id like to reference two players in this league. One took less money so he could have a shot at winning championships, while the other forced a trade in order to make the maximum amount of money believing he could still win championships. He could have played out his contract and still played for the team he wanted, but he would have lost a few drops out of his bucket, and God forbid he have to live with a little less bling in his life. Ironically, it's the guy who valued winning over money who is the most hated player in the league.
Which brings me to Gordan Hayward. I love the guy and I hope he is in a Jazz uni for years, but if it comes down to 12 mill a year, trade his *** and I hope the door hits him in the *** on the way out. Somebody a few posts ago suggested a few million here or there won't mean anything in the grande scheme of things. WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. I suggest studying up on the new cba. It makes a HUGE difference, and overpaying a player by a few million could make the difference between a tradeable contract and one that isn't. Nothing would make me happier than for Gordo to blow up and prove me wrong, but right now I wouldn;t match anything over 10, and even then I'd be a little nervous. The new cba creates a situation where teams have to be very careful where they hand out the majority of their cap.
Without mentioning names, Id like to reference two players in this league. One took less money so he could have a shot at winning championships, while the other forced a trade in order to make the maximum amount of money believing he could still win championships. He could have played out his contract and still played for the team he wanted, but he would have lost a few drops out of his bucket, and God forbid he have to live with a little less bling in his life. Ironically, it's the guy who valued winning over money who is the most hated player in the league.
Which brings me to Gordan Hayward. I love the guy and I hope he is in a Jazz uni for years, but if it comes down to 12 mill a year, trade his *** and I hope the door hits him in the *** on the way out. Somebody a few posts ago suggested a few million here or there won't mean anything in the grande scheme of things. WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. I suggest studying up on the new cba. It makes a HUGE difference, and overpaying a player by a few million could make the difference between a tradeable contract and one that isn't. Nothing would make me happier than for Gordo to blow up and prove me wrong, but right now I wouldn;t match anything over 10, and even then I'd be a little nervous. The new cba creates a situation where teams have to be very careful where they hand out the majority of their cap.
Fallen chicken? Chicken of the sea?
You're ****ing obsessed dude.
If the right deal comes along then you can trade Hayward (just like you'd trade anybody if the right offer came about). I don't think it will. Hayward is solid but I wish he could guard all big wings. Right now he can dominate 1's and 2's pretty well on both sides of the ball, but many 3's dominate him. I'd really like to keep him around tho. He is smart, a team guy, and a solid 2-way player.