this team might just suck.

[Sandman822]

A week from now if the Jazz are 14-20 can we have a talk everyone who says people are “freaking out”? Or will it still be too early to talk?

Considering they're about to go through another ridiculous stretch of games put me in #TeamTooEarly even if the Jazz manage to lose their next 5 or 6. Look at the schedule

@ Rockets
vs Warriors
@ Blazers
vs Thunder (B2B)
vs Blazers
vs Sixers

They finally get more than two home games in a row and they're all against playoff level teams from both conferences lol. Compare that to a similar stretch of games around early-mid January

vs Magic
vs Lakers
vs Bulls (B2B)
vs Pistons
@ Clippers
vs Cavs

If they close out that stretch and go 2 - 4 or something then I'll be looking for that panic button.

 

[jom2003]

Where?

Like when you called Derrick Rose "looked like he had been done" when he averaged 18pts and 10 pts the last two seasons, then singlehandedly outproduced Thabo, Neto, Dante and Royce combined this season?

Like when you refused to admit the fact that our bench has been hot garbage and then pointed to Tobias Harris for production, which is a direct result from the lack of talent/production from our bench?

Like when you called an ugly loss tonight "a step in the right direction"?

 

[Douchebag K]

we will be fine. Come mid late Jan our guys will have their legs, we'll be rolling and all will look much more peachy.

 

[idiot]

As for the topic of the thread: it's entirely possible that the Jazz may not be as good as expectations would have led us to believe. Maybe last year was over-achievement. Maybe the defense won't fully click like it did last year. And getting more good shooters/scorers would surely help in the long run. If smart moves can be made, I hope DL makes them--but not just moves for the sake of making moves.

There's still a lot of time left in the season and I trust that the franchise is in good hands, from management to coaches to players. ​

I prefer to let things play out rather than rush to find scapegoats.

Just my style, I suppose. To each, their own ...

 

[Tragic66]

It was still an inaccurate analogy since in your example you used a two game sample size (I'm going to assume that you're taking the same amount of shots in each game to get to your 50% since you claim to be using a masters degree for that) when the Jazz season has been a 30 game sample size and much more varied than your example.

Also, for what it's worth, the GSW game isn't even close to the best offensive performance for the Jazz this season. It ranks 9th in TS% and 7th in ORTG. Their opening night performance against the Kings is hands down the best offensive performance from the team all season, the team shot a ridiculous 74.9 TS% and had an ORTG of 135.6. Their 2nd best game offensively was against the Celtics on the 9th of November at home.

I said GS for instance, not it was best. You don’t need god same amount of shots in each game unless you wish to get granular. We shoot crap more often than we shout well, especially Ricky hence his overall %. The point I made is we have one amazing game to every more than one bad one, ergo our under .500 record.

 

[jom2003]

1....Jazz will again be approaching 10 games below .500 and at that point it is time to come to reality. The run that happened last year was historical. It isn’t happening again people. Jazz needed to win a game like today if they are good. They are not. Time to come to terms with that. It amazes me how some of you act like this is freaking out or something. There’s a very good chance in the next 10 games Jazz will find themselves close to 10 games below .500. Coming back from that would take another huge run. I’ve looked at their schedule from January-April. Good luck with making that run again.

Talent wise the Jazz simply don't belong in the playoffs. We currently only have 8 playable NBA players on the roster. The other 7 either belong with the G-league or are worse than G-league, which means that Quin can't trust to put any of them on the floor for more than 10 mins, or risk getting blew out by the end of bench players of teams that won't make it to the playoffs. And sadly it already has happened multiple times this season.

 

[idiot]

I will admit that it's shocking to see my Browns having nearly the same winning percentage as the Jazz at this point in time. Maybe I should be more alarmed about the Jazz

 

[Sandman822]

I said GS for instance, not it was best. You don’t need god same amount of shots in each game unless you wish to get granular. We shoot crap more often than we shout well, especially Ricky hence his overall %. The point I made is we have one amazing game to every more than one bad one, ergo our under .500 record.

To use your example from before, if I shoot 100% on 1/1 shooting in one game then shoot 0% on 0/4 shooting in the second game, you're not going to say I'm shooting 50% for the season you'll say I'm shooting 20% for the season on 1/5 shooting lol.

 

[jazzETX]

rubio just can't be trusted longterm. The amount of equity and leash he's had in his career is ridiculous. people will point to his occasional good to great shooting games, but it is all fool's gold. he's left wide open 75+% of the time, so he's bound to have a great shooting game every now and then. despite how wide open he usually is, this is a guy shooting 39% FG and 31% from three which is basically on par for his career. Terrible finishing at the rim. Some dumb TOs. Despite end of last year, anyone thinking he'll just flip a switch and be better than this consistently is foolish. Imagine how bad his FG and 3 pt % would be if people actually guarded him on the perimeter? he'd be shooting 30-33% FG and 25% or less from three. Or maybe even similar % b/c with his slow *** set shot he can't get even get a shot off when closely guarded. Can't win anything meaningful with him as your starting PG.

 

[David Ginola 14]

Lindsey has great responsibilities about this roster .. he spent 5 first pick in the playmaker but the play is not there, Rubio is not the answer..
He spent a first pick, going up, for Bradley, who has never seen the change and he has 3 C in front..
He realized late, see Trade Korver, that there were no shooters (except Ingles) in the team, he renewed Exum who does not like Snyder..
He chose a 23 years at the Draft in a more than covered role , in OS is passive strop, 14-16 is the son of his choices, all have improved in the West, but we do not ..

 

[Jazzta]

A week from now if the Jazz are 14-20 can we have a talk everyone who says people are “freaking out”? Or will it still be too early to talk?

Too early, you’re using the toughest stretch of the season to validate your point.

 

[LoPo]

Too early, you’re using the toughest stretch of the season to validate your point.

34 games into the season is the barometer not just 6 games. Last year was last year. And yes, our record will improve but this team is so flawed. Our offense needs help even if we manage to beat the scrub teams during the 2nd half of the season.

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[str8line]

2-11, 3-14, 8-21, 1-8

How the hell does an NBA player miss 11 of 14 shots? How can an NBA player go 2-11? Even the new guy has a 1-8 performance. This is 100% not on Quin. WTF is wrong with these guys heads?

 

[homeytennis]

2-11, 3-14, 8-21, 1-8

How the hell does an NBA player miss 11 of 14 shots? How can an NBA player go 2-11? Even the new guy has a 1-8 performance. This is 100% not on Quin. WTF is wrong with these guys heads?

It was the water they drank.

 

[416Klawzz]

Just win on Christmas please Santa.

 

[jom2003]

Lindsey has great responsibilities about this roster .. he spent 5 first pick in the playmaker but the play is not there, Rubio is not the answer..
He spent a first pick, going up, for Bradley, who has never seen the change and he has 3 C in front..
He realized late, see Trade Korver, that there were no shooters (except Ingles) in the team, he renewed Exum who does not like Snyder..
He chose a 23 years at the Draft in a more than covered role , in OS is passive strop, 14-16 is the son of his choices, all have improved in the West, but we do not ..

We got worse as a matter of fact. We lost Jerebko's 15 min of quality plays and absolutely no one who can fill in for his minutes.

 

[oneye]

Too early, you’re using the toughest stretch of the season to validate your point.

No, what validated my point is they’ve lost too many games already and this next stretch is going to kick their record into the ground. Losing 5 or 6 games this early like they’ve done is going to kill them come April. They are already two games below .500, this next stretch will put them much farther below it and they are playing teams we thought they would be on the same level as....yet here we are saying the schedule is so tough and we all expect them to lose most of these upcoming games.

 

[oneye]

Considering they're about to go through another ridiculous stretch of games put me in #TeamTooEarly even if the Jazz manage to lose their next 5 or 6. Look at the schedule

@ Rockets
vs Warriors
@ Blazers
vs Thunder (B2B)
vs Blazers
vs Sixers

They finally get more than two home games in a row and they're all against playoff level teams from both conferences lol. Compare that to a similar stretch of games around early-mid January

vs Magic
vs Lakers
vs Bulls (B2B)
vs Pistons
@ Clippers
vs Cavs

If they close out that stretch and go 2 - 4 or something then I'll be looking for that panic button.

The problem with getting so far behind over the next stretch is you need to go 5-1 on stretches like that. I’m not going to say the Jazz are definitively better than the Lakers anymore. Clippers could get them. Even going 4-2 there wouldn’t be great, especially when you’re losing to teams you’re fighting for a spot with. We’ll see. Some of you are hoping they go on this huge run again when the problem is a lot of the bad teams who would just roll over at the end of last year aren’t as bad this year and will be wanting a playoff spot, even bad eastern conference teams. They’re putting themselves in a position they have to play perfect and win games they aren’t supposed to, which they haven’t done.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like when you called Derrick Rose "looked like he had been done" when he averaged 18pts and 10 pts the last two seasons, then singlehandedly outproduced Thabo, Neto, Dante and Royce combined this season?

Like when you refused to admit the fact that our bench has been hot garbage and then pointed to Tobias Harris for production, which is a direct result from the lack of talent/production from our bench?

Like when you called an ugly loss tonight "a step in the right direction"?

So where did I contradict myself? Because that's just a lot of stuff I said that you disagree with. Let me repeat everything I said. I know kids do this to learn. Repetition and stuff.

1. Last season Derrick Rose had a -7.8 BPM and was going through a RAPE CASE. The years before that it was -1.9, -3.3, and -1.3. Add to that fact before this season he was one of the worst 3pt shooters in the history of the 3pt era (before this year), he had no interest in being a 3rd string PG, has a terrible injury history, and HE HAD A ****ING RAPE CASE.

2. Again, the bench isnt the issue. I used Harris an example because he's a free agent. The issue is overall scoring ability. It's not directly related to anything on the bench. If the starting lineup had another primary/secondary scorer, the bench would look much better because their would be more lineups with scoring to use. The focus should be on making an addition to the starting lineup, not the bench. The bench is good.

3. I've been consistent on why I think the defense continuing to trend towards elite is a step in the right direction. I don't know how I've possibly contradicted myself there since I've been pretty clear on why I think defense is important because it's the identity of the team and the main factor in why the Jazz where a 2nd round playoff team last year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It’s all good it’s only a game and good to see Jazz fans passionate, even if we all disagree.

Nah, you don't to do that. This isnt an "agree to disagree" thing. It's not an opinion.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2019/gamelog-advanced/

There is every Jazz game. You can sort them by effective field goal percentage.
# of Games:

>70%: 1 (Spurs game)
>65%: 1
>60%: 3
>55%: 10
>50%: 5
>45%: 5
>40%: 3
>35%: 1 (Mexico game)
>30%: 1 (Dallas game)

So you can see the greatest clump of games come between 45% and 60% with 20 games in that area. Of that clump, 50% of those games above 55%.