This team needs a makeover

[Saint Cy of JFC]

DL didnt want to sign a bunch of 1 year contract mercenaries. That's why he did what he did. He maintained cap flexibility and has good matching contracts for a big trade. It's not his fault players are playing like complete ***. This is the same team that dominated OKC in the first round, the same team that went on a huge run in 2018 for about 4 months and into the playoffs.

If DL went out and signed a bunch of these vets we consider upgrades to our roster for MLE level long term deals, people would be bitching about how we settled for mediocrity and now would never be better than a "insert record/seed/or playoff round exit" team because we wouldnt have cap-room to sign anyone the following year.

 

[infection]

What intel do you have that the Jazz could have gotten Mirotic?

The Pelicans gave them a better first round pick and a better contract to take back.

The Jazz could have given their 1st rounder and Burks, but Burks was fully guaranteed this year. Asik, who the Bulls gave up to match, was only partially guaranteed this year.

Asik’s contract was going to take a first to unload. Favors was expiring. Our hang up was that we wouldn’t include a first rounder, and this was pretty well established by pretty much everyone at that time, especially Chicago saying all they wanted was a first rounder. The argument at the time wasn’t if Chicago would take that (they would), it was if it was wise to give up a first round pick for Niko, someone who everyone just said was on a hot streak, and we were all drunk on mid first rounders because we thought the next Donovan was hiding under one.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Asik’s contract was going to take a first to unload. Favors was expiring. Our hang up was that we wouldn’t include a first rounder, and this was pretty well established by pretty much everyone at that time, especially Chicago saying all they wanted was a first rounder. The argument at the time wasn’t if Chicago would take that (they would), it was if it was wise to give up a first round pick for Niko, someone who everyone just said was on a hot streak, and we were all drunk on mid first rounders because we thought the next Donovan was hiding under one.

My point remains (though yes, I forgot about Favors expiring instead of Burks), why would they want our pick over the Pelicans? That's the main piece and they had the better piece.

 

[infection]

My point remains (though yes, I forgot about Favors expiring instead of Burks), why would they want our pick over the Pelicans? That's the main piece and they had the better piece.

They didn’t want to take back salary. In any case, NOP was never in the discussion until Boogie’s achilles, and we underestimated how fast the landscape can change. Take the bird in hand.

ETA: also our pick was better at the time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They didn’t want to take back salary. In any case, NOP was never in the discussion until Boogie’s achilles, and we underestimated how fast the landscape can change. Take the bird in hand.

Asik was a very minuscule salary because of it being partially guaranteed.

Chicago had no reason to rush into any deal. They were going to wait until they got the best possible offer.

I'm not saying I know you are wrong, but I don't think it's a certainty that all the Jazz had to do was offer a 1st/expiring and Chicago says yes.

 

[infection]

Asik was a very minuscule salary because of it being partially guaranteed.

Chicago had no reason to rush into any deal. They were going to wait until they got the best possible offer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/basket...t-Office-Couldnt-Wait-To-Trade-Nikola-Mirotic

He was killing their tank, too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/basket...t-Office-Couldnt-Wait-To-Trade-Nikola-Mirotic

He was killing their tank, too.

They didnt have to play him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And people probably don't care because it's the past, but I don't think the Jazz make the playoffs if they trade Favors for Mirotic last year.

 

[infection]

They didnt have to play him.

They didn’t. He was coming in and dropping 24.3 points per 36 and they’d sit his *** down on the bench in the 4th.

 

[416Klawzz]

Last year he had 16 points, six rebounds and two assists in a game of the Hawks vs Pels. Still think he can't score in the Association.

Highlight your statement ... In A Game , singular ? Yes, he is a scrub

 

[Jazz4ever]

What intel do you have that the Jazz could have gotten Mirotic?

The Pelicans gave them a better first round pick and a better contract to take back.

The Jazz could have given their 1st rounder and Burks, but Burks was fully guaranteed this year. Asik, who the Bulls gave up to match, was only partially guaranteed this year.

Mirotic had a no trade clause though, and initially wanted the Jazz. He only waived it after all other possibilities had dried up.

https://www.blogabull.com/2018/1/8/...-is-interested-in-getting-traded-to-utah-jazz

 

[infection]

Mirotic had a no trade clause though, and initially wanted the Jazz. He only waived it after all other possibilities had dried up.

https://www.blogabull.com/2018/1/8/...-is-interested-in-getting-traded-to-utah-jazz

He never waived it. NOP initially came to agreement, but he wouldn’t waive. A couple days later NOP relented and agreed to pick up his option, taking away his “no trade” ability.