There are a lot of players who dont have elite athletic ability who find ways to score and get their shots off. Hell, if he cant, we always have THE CURL!!!!
This video makes me feel a little better about the pick.
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There are a lot of players who dont have elite athletic ability who find ways to score and get their shots off. Hell, if he cant, we always have THE CURL!!!!
For being not being athletic he sure can rebound. From what I hear he's a lot more athletic than people give him credit for.
hayward4mvp
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Shut up! The point of message boards are to give opinions.DAMN!
richgates
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I am not comparing Hayward to Bird, but he was not athletic at all. He had incredible court sense, and innate ability to create his own shot. I am not sure that Hayward has this, but he is certainly a lot more athletic than Bird was. I am really cautiously optimistic.
green
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After watching the Ohio State highlights, he does look like someone that can come into Utah, play the starting SF spot ala Russell, average 15 and 7 a night. If he can know the offense perfectly, hit open shots, and play good team defense, then Utah probably made a good pick. Is he an All-Star? No. But, with what was left, if you can get 15 and 7 for 6+ years at #9, then you made a good pick.
All of his shots in the first Video came of kick outs on Dribble penetration with his feet set. I can see D-Will getting him that kind of shot a lot. Plus coming of screens around the FT line Like Harpring did with Stockton. If the Kid can come in and rebound from the 3 plus knock down open Jumpers he might turn out to be an OK pick
DutchJazzer
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Gyp Rosetti
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One, that was in a different time without as many high flyers. Two, you're not giving Bird near the credit he deserves as far as his athleticism.
Gyp Rosetti
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OP is a moran.
Show me highlights of something other than shooting.
Which he sucked at for the year mind you.
Show me highlights of something other than shooting.
Which he sucked at for the year mind you.
hayward4mvp
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moran? Do you mean morman or moron? Spell check bro.
Gyp Rosetti
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You're obviously not a golfer.
He's near Babbit and Aminu on his pre-draft numbers with 30" no step and 34" max (Babbit is 29, 37, Aminu is 27, 33.5) He has ~ same speed as Aminu, Babbit is a tad faster in the lane. Aminu is has standing reach of 9'0 Haward has 8'7.
So Baby, you are right - with respect to his basic measurements. His rebounding is a bit lower than those two (8, 9, 10 for GH, LB, AA)
So with a little more data this guy isn't so crazy of pick:
1. Athetically closer than I thought to his peers
2. Has the proven history of being a winner, HS and taking his underdog Butler so far in NCAA - main guy, (unlike Davis, Patterson, Aldrich)
3. Has enough evidence to show he can be a shooter - freshman year + FT% (82%) which is a good indicator or overall hand-eye coordination. Shot 4 3pts per game sophmore year. If one per game is always his to take for last second crap shot as goto guy, that cuts your % down considerably with only few attempts. (Maybe this one game video pumped up his freshman year percentages...)
4. Assuming (haven't seen enough) his 'on-court awareness" and "BB IQ" attributes are good as advertised
Then he could be a player. Kevin Martin is a pretty good player and he doesn't have "all that." John Stockton didn't have "all that..." Stromile Swift had "all that" and wasn't. So there are possibilities here.