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Thoughts on Trading Bogdanvic

I seriously cannot tell if you're joking or not.

If you think the changes that we made in the offseason are good enough to address a historically awful defense, to each their own. I think we need more than 35 year old Rudy Gay as the backup PF.
Historically awful defense? #3 out of like 30 teams isn't historically awful bro.
What are you talking about anyway? My post was in response to you talking about us being elite OFFENSIVELY without bogey. I simply said that we have never been without bogey so its literally impossible for us to have been elite without him. Strange that you brought up defense when you started talking about the offense in relation to bogey and that is also what I addressed.
 
Historically awful defense? #3 out of like 30 teams isn't historically awful bro.
What are you talking about anyway? My post was in response to you talking about us being elite OFFENSIVELY without bogey. I simply said that we have never been without bogey so its literally impossible for us to have been elite without him.

When I talk about the collapse I'm talking about the playoffs where we got grilled against a team without their best player, not the RS. What we did in the RS had zero meaning when it came to playing the Clippers. The Clippers aren't the only team that can exploit us and going small isn't the only way to do it. If you won the championship by winning the RS my thoughts would be different, but that is not how the NBA works. The Jazz have defensive weaknesses that can be covered by Gobert during the RS but it's impossible for Gobert or anyone to keep that in the playoffs when opposing teams can plan for it.

Bogey did not play in the DEN series and we were elite offensively that series. So no, the confidence I have in our offense did not change at all when he was out. Mitchell, Conley, Bogey, Clarkson, and Ingles are the 5 players that I would consider scorers and ball handlers. If one of them is out, the others would pick up for them. Since Clarkson was acquired the Jazz are 44-16 and have a 118 Ortg when one of those 5 are out. When all 5 are playing the Jazz are 34-20 and have a 116 Ortg. This is what gives me confidence in our ability to score if we were to move a scorer/ball handler.

The offense has carried through to the playoffs. We went through the DEN series without Bogey and the LAC without Conley. In both instances we had and Ortg that would have been first in the league. Unlike the defense, I don't think we have underlying weaknesses that can be exposed during the playoffs and that's proven to be true. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be Bogey. I have confidence in our offense to score without anyone besides Mitchell out. My thoughts aren't that we have to trade Bogey because he's bad or whatever. It's that we can afford to move some offense for some defense.
 
It’s not what it was about at all. It was 100% gameflow, reducing game times, and eliminating something that everyone hated. It was not about points at all. And if it is to reduce points then you know what would become an even bigger premium? Guys who score efficiently without free throws… hmmmmm… anyone know where to find one of those guys?
it is both. free throw is the easiest way to score points in basketball, period. Taking that away will result in less points scored in a basketball game. just look up the numbers. stats don't lie. highest scoring games are also the ones with the highest number of free throws. reducing free throws would help the gameflow, yes. but they don't just take away free throws without bearing in mind that points would also get reduced as a result.
 
You dont know that. Maybe the reason that JC is such a good scorer is because he plays on the jazz. With players like bogey spacing the floor to give him wide open lanes into the paint.
Fun fact. Clippers has more shooters to space the floor than the Jazz.

Last season they've got a whopping 10 players shooting above 40% from deep, and Kawhi wasn't even one of them.


Take away the small sample size, they've still got Morris, Kennard, Reggie Jackson, Mann, Paul George and Batum who shot way above league average last season. Even Beverley was having his career year shooting the 3 ball.

The whole premise of Clippers beating us in that series was their spacing. Their shooters just couldn't miss from deep. It will be a lot easier for JC to score points in that Clippers system.
 
it is both. free throw is the easiest way to score points in basketball, period. Taking that away will result in less points scored in a basketball game. just look up the numbers. stats don't lie. highest scoring games are also the ones with the highest number of free throws. reducing free throws would help the gameflow, yes. but they don't just take away free throws without bearing in mind that points would also get reduced as a result.
They have not hidden why they made the changes. It is to speed up game play and remove BS from the game. Period. It had nothing to do with scoring… NOTHING! It’s why they changed the review rules. It comes down to the TV product and dollars . They ****ing love points.
 
They have not hidden why they made the changes. It is to speed up game play and remove BS from the game. Period. It had nothing to do with scoring… NOTHING! It’s why they changed the review rules. It comes down to the TV product and dollars . They ****ing love points.
maybe one day they will discover a new science on how to reduce free throws while keeping points scored in a game the same. but unfortunately as of 2021, that science doesn't exit. not everything is black and white out there. as much as they love points, they simply don't like those points scored from the free throw line. call it collateral damage if you will.
 
When I talk about the collapse I'm talking about the playoffs where we got grilled against a team without their best player, not the RS. What we did in the RS had zero meaning when it came to playing the Clippers. The Clippers aren't the only team that can exploit us and going small isn't the only way to do it. If you won the championship by winning the RS my thoughts would be different, but that is not how the NBA works. The Jazz have defensive weaknesses that can be covered by Gobert during the RS but it's impossible for Gobert or anyone to keep that in the playoffs when opposing teams can plan for it.

Bogey did not play in the DEN series and we were elite offensively that series. So no, the confidence I have in our offense did not change at all when he was out. Mitchell, Conley, Bogey, Clarkson, and Ingles are the 5 players that I would consider scorers and ball handlers. If one of them is out, the others would pick up for them. Since Clarkson was acquired the Jazz are 44-16 and have a 118 Ortg when one of those 5 are out. When all 5 are playing the Jazz are 34-20 and have a 116 Ortg. This is what gives me confidence in our ability to score if we were to move a scorer/ball handler.

The offense has carried through to the playoffs. We went through the DEN series without Bogey and the LAC without Conley. In both instances we had and Ortg that would have been first in the league. Unlike the defense, I don't think we have underlying weaknesses that can be exposed during the playoffs and that's proven to be true. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be Bogey. I have confidence in our offense to score without anyone besides Mitchell out. My thoughts aren't that we have to trade Bogey because he's bad or whatever. It's that we can afford to move some offense for some defense.
I appreciate the effort. Keep fighting the good fight!
 
The playoff offense with Bogey on the court was so much better than when he was off the floor. The biggest issue with the defense is the Clips could not miss and we had two guards that were on one leg.

The fact that we were able to score a ton against Denver the year before without Bogey is tough to rely on. Denver is a ****** defensive team. Especially that year… you need every weapon in the playoffs and Bogey is absolutely a weapon. He has also ramped up his defense multiple times. If you are trading bogey and not getting Hayward or Barnes (or someone in that tier of player) then you will likely be worse. RoCo and Gordon and those types have been far worse players than Bogey in the playoffs.
 
I did enjoy the criticism of rudy gay being a 35 years old backup PF as if that wont make much of a difference (and not taking into account the other additions the jazz made this past off season). Then I check pj tuckers age and he is 36 year old backup PF. Maybe rudy gay can be a difference maker even at the ancient age of 35. Worked out pretty good for tucker and the bucks i think.
 
The playoff offense with Bogey on the court was so much better than when he was off the floor. The biggest issue with the defense is the Clips could not miss and we had two guards that were on one leg.

The fact that we were able to score a ton against Denver the year before without Bogey is tough to rely on. Denver is a ****** defensive team. Especially that year… you need every weapon in the playoffs and Bogey is absolutely a weapon. He has also ramped up his defense multiple times. If you are trading bogey and not getting Hayward or Barnes (or someone in that tier of player) then you will likely be worse. RoCo and Gordon and those types have been far worse players than Bogey in the playoffs.
I mean a few years back when we had favors and gobert playing together jazz fans were almost universally crying for a stretch 4. Any stretch 4. I remember we wanted otto porter, jabari Parker, nikola mirotic, portis (I think thats his name), washed up overpriced no defense playing kevin love and many others. Now we have one that is better than those dudes and we want to get rid of him? weird.
 
What are you talking about?
He is basing our entire defensive performance last season on a few games against the clippers I think. Which, who knows if those two games against the clippers were even historically bad (I admittedly haven't done the research) but whatevs
 
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