Thread for responding to transphobic comments

[Al-O-Meter]

I hear there are whole leagues of people that shatter their bones, ruin their cartilage, tear their tendons, and do mountains of other damage to their bodies even as kids to play sports. Kids soccer and high school football are especially bad because of the concussions CET. Is the line that you don't take minor damage deliberately, but accidentally it's OK to risk your life?

Participation in sport correlates with reduced suicidal ideation, reduced drug use, reduced risk for depression, and greater social supports. These benefits are seen in both male and female athletes, rich and poor, urban and rural, and all ethnic backgrounds. Furthermore the benefits are observed to be even greater in all areas mentioned above for high school aged athletes who participate in three sports during the year versus those who only participate in a single sport.

There is indeed the risk of injury, and in some sports such as football, I personally won’t allow my kid to participate in them and instead direct athletic efforts towards other sports, but I cannot say that even in those high risk sports the balance of harms isn’t in favor of letting kids play. If you want to show me that when viewed holistically that participation in soccer and high school football is worse than non-participation then I’m open to reading your argument.

The point was that the latter parents will continue to be free, in Montana, to get these treatments, and they are only being denied to trans kids, which means it's not about protecting all kids.

If that is the measure of what should or should not be passed then no law would ever be passed because no single law can ever stop all bad things from happening to all people. This law protects some kids in some situations. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[Gameface]

Participation in sport correlates with reduced suicidal ideation, reduced drug use, reduced risk for depression, and greater social supports. These benefits are seen in both male and female athletes, rich and poor, urban and rural, and all ethnic backgrounds. Furthermore the benefits are observed to be even greater in all areas mentioned above for high school aged athletes who participate in three sports during the year versus those who only participate in a single sport.

There is indeed the risk of injury, and in some sports such as football, I personally won’t allow my kid to participate in them and instead direct athletic efforts towards other sports, but I cannot say that even in those high risk sports the balance of harms isn’t in favor of letting kids play. If you want to show me that when viewed holistically that participation in soccer and high school football is worse than non-participation then I’m open to reading your argument.

If that is the measure of what should or should not be passed then no law would ever be passed because no single law can ever stop all bad things from happening to all people. This law protects some kids in some situations. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

I never thought I would see the day that you make the same argument that I have made regarding transgender athletes.

I mean how can you deny all these benefits to people based on their gender identity? Even more so, how can you deny these benefits to a group of people more at risk of the things you mention? Doing so would obviously be an act of cruelty and malice.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

A coworker of mine mnetioned

I never thought I would see the day that you make the same argument that I have made regarding transgender athletes.

I mean how can you deny all these benefits to people based on their gender identity? Even more so, how can you deny these benefits to a group of people more at risk of the things you mention? Doing so would obviously be an act of cruelty and malice.

He thinks you're a bad and neglectful parent who's caused trauma to your kid, so not sure what answer you expect.

 

[Gameface]

He thinks you're a bad and neglectful parent who's caused trauma to your kid, so not sure what answer you expect.

Yes, I should have disowned my 15 year old as soon as I found out they were transgender. That would have taught her. That's some next level thinking.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I never thought I would see the day that you make the same argument that I have made regarding transgender athletes.

I mean how can you deny all these benefits to people based on their gender identity? Even more so, how can you deny these benefits to a group of people more at risk of the things you mention? Doing so would obviously be an act of cruelty and malice.

I’ve been consistently in favor of all kids, including transgender kids, participating in athletics. What I am against is parents getting their 15-year old girl breast implants to do better in beauty pageants, or the parents of pre-pubescent gymnasts using surgery or drugs that can be seen as performance enhancing, or parents pushing their kids who have gone through or are going through puberty as biologically male competing in divisions intended for girls.

 

[Gameface]

I’ve been consistently in favor of all kids, including transgender kids, participating in athletics. What I am against is parents getting their 15-year old girl breast implants to do better in beauty pageants, or the parents of pre-pubescent gymnasts using surgery or drugs that can be seen as performance enhancing, or parents pushing their kids who have gone through or are going through puberty as biologically male competing in divisions intended for girls.

You're in luck. THEY DON'T DO THOSE SURGERIES ON KIDS!

You might be able to fish up about 3 exceptions over the last 10 years. And this narrative that this is a thing that parents are doing to their kids is bizarre.

 

[One Brow]

Participation in sport correlates with reduced suicidal ideation, reduced drug use, reduced risk for depression, and greater social supports. These benefits are seen in both male and female athletes, rich and poor, urban and rural, and all ethnic backgrounds. Furthermore the benefits are observed to be even greater in all areas mentioned above for high school aged athletes who participate in three sports during the year versus those who only participate in a single sport.

That's a good argument to use other sports. However, I think you have causation reversed here. People who are tall, athletic, coordinated, etc., tend to have better self-images whether or not they play sports.

If that is the measure of what should or should not be passed then no law would ever be passed because no single law can ever stop all bad things from happening to all people.

Success rate is a distraction from the point. If the law was truly about protection, it would extend the protection of all.

This law protects some kids in some situations.

It protects none, and oppresses a large number under the guise of protection.

 

[Eminence]

You're in luck. THEY DON'T DO THOSE SURGERIES ON KIDS!

You might be able to fish up about 3 exceptions over the last 10 years. And this narrative that this is a thing that parents are doing to their kids is bizarre.

They're barely happening on adults either for that matter. There's fairly few trans folks, not all get surgery in any capacity, very few have genital reassignment surgery (numbers are hard to track down, but one report from 2016 from the American Plastic Surgeon something or others said there were a grand total of 15 that year, all male to female).

Edit:

On the more personal anecdote level I know 10 trans people fairly well (3 F to NB, 2 M to NB, 2 F to M, 3 M to F). 4 have had top surgery, I believe 2 more are considering/planning it, and none have had bottom surgery. With 1 considering it (I think they are actually leaning towards a hysterectomy, so not a reassignment).

 

[The Thriller]

I thought this clip was interesting. I’ve never heard that Love Boat was woke or had actors grooming kids. But then again, this was before the GOP decided that punching out trans kids was going to be their top campaign issue to compensate for their failed economic and social policies.


View: https://twitter.com/ask_aubry/status/1652502209127489536?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

 

[Gameface]

I thought this clip was interesting. I’ve never heard that Love Boat was woke or had actors grooming kids. But then again, this was before the GOP decided that punching out trans kids was going to be their top campaign issue to compensate for their failed economic and social policies.


View: https://twitter.com/ask_aubry/status/1652502209127489536?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

I really believed in the late 80s and early 90s that society was going somewhere and where we were going was better than the place we were leaving. I was so naive. If I could go back to 1995 and show myself what the U.S. was going to be like in 2023 I'd probably ruin my own life because I wouldn't even know why I would want to bother with this place. I certainly wouldn't have joined the military, even though that was undeniably the best decision I ever made for my own professional development and personal growth. I wouldn't have had the heart to do it if I knew that white Christian Nationalism was going to be a dominant political ideology that would purposefully be a real and tangible threat to my child. That hatred hidden behind fear of CRT and Transgender athletes would be prime motivating factors for something like 1/3 of American voters.

If I knew then what I know now I would have been more interested in burning it all down than playing along.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I thought this clip was interesting. I’ve never heard that Love Boat was woke or had actors grooming kids.

Really? The actress in that clip is one of the most famous examples of kids being groomed that I'm aware of.

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[Al-O-Meter]

He thinks you're a bad and neglectful parent who's caused trauma to your kid, so not sure what answer you expect.

To become good enough to be on the professional tennis circuit, the kid needs to start before they are 6-years old. Starting at 4-years old is better. At that age the lessons consist of kids chasing balloons around a tennis court with racquets. I’m against pushing tennis too hard and think keeping it casual or even occasional for elementary-aged kids is the way to go, but it is not possible to ever make up the ground if the kid doesn’t start batting balloons around with a racquet when they are 4 or 5 years old. There is something about the neuroplasticity at that age that permanently wires the brain into understanding the racquet as part of the arm, and once it is locked then it is locked. There is a similar phenomenon when it comes to developing perfect pitch although there is also a genetic component to that ability.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Cb1qwCUvI


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=816VLQNdPMM

There is no tennis pro conversion therapy or perfect pitch conversion therapy that later in life can overwrite the early childhood reaction to stimulus or lack thereof. I believe many things fall into that same category.