Thread for responding to transphobic comments

[One Brow]

We should be waiting to see what we've got before making irreversible changes.

I've always been a straight, white, cis male. Many trans kids are equally sure of their identity at 9 or 15. Why not help them, aside from the desire to ostracize them?

If you want to change your pronouns or cosplay as the opposite gender then you do you.

You are a pretentious ***. Trans people are not cosplaying.

Personally I think it is on the same level as Al Jolson minstrel shows

The purpose of a minstrel show was to make fun of black people and how different they were from white people. Trans people are trying to express their true selves, not denigrate others. Denigrating others is your style.

 

[One Brow]

Below’s story you posted, sounds exactly like protecting kids. Let this person make a decision when they become an adult at 18.
Doesn’t sound like fascists.

How many trans teens do you personally interact with? It's easy to give some arbitrary line when you, personally, have nothing on the line yourself.

 

[Deleted member 365]

What happened to parental rights? I thought some of you believed parents, not the state, knew best. Why do you want nanny government encroaching into family lives?

Or do parental rights only matter when banning books and preventing the history of black people from being taught?

Some ideological consistency would be nice. Right now the right just goes with whatever excites their base the most right now. There’s no underlying ideological principles here.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You are a pretentious ***. Trans people are not cosplaying.

Of course they are. That is what makes them trans-women rather than women, and trans-men rather than men.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What happened to parental rights? ... Some ideological consistency would be nice.

Some ideological consistency such as not believing the female parent has the "right" to kill their child? I've never been shy about my beliefs that some kids need to be protected from abusive or murderous parents.

Transgenderism is often a sign of childhood trauma. I believe parents of transgender kids are quick to jump on modern narratives of it being some unexplainable condition from Jesus or genetics or whatever because it serves to distract from the real cause:, the parenting. I’ll admit that may not be the case for all kids, especially if the kid grows up to be a high-functioning adult in society, but it is generally a flashing neon warning sign of past trauma. If a transgender kid upon reaching adulthood lacks the mental toolset required for adulthood and has to live at home as an adult then that pretty much removes all doubt.

I believe that kids are pretty resilient, but they need time for some wounds to heal. Studies have shown that 80%-98% of children with gender dysphoria will grow out of it by adulthood.[1] A parent eagerly pursing surgery or chemical castration for their minor child is doing the opposite of allowing trauma to heal. A parent who would choose such a path for their minor child comes across to me as someone who is covering their tracks even if it means destroying the life of their own child in the process.

[1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1359104510378303?journalCode=ccpa

 

[Bucknutz]

How many trans teens do you personally interact with? It's easy to give some arbitrary line when you, personally, have nothing on the line yourself.

1 and not a daily interaction.

I don’t drink so I have nothing on the line but still believe in waiting to an older age before it’s legal.

Why not have 12 year old drivers. Lots of people don’t drive but I bet they don’t believe in 12 year olds behind the wheel.

Better yet, why not let kids drink and drive at 12. Hopefully not at the same time. Because 16 and 21 are just arbitrary ages, doesn’t mean anything.

Why have an age of consent. Maybe we should let children have sexual relations with adults. 11 year olds getting with 29 year olds. Sounds good using your argument. I mean you have nothing on the line. Why does it matter, since your not a single 11 year old looking to mate with a mature adult.

I said 18. In this country we consider this age as when youth become adults. So sorry Onebrow, it’s not an arbitrary age. Your argument does not make any sense to me.

 

[Bucknutz]

What happened to parental rights? I thought some of you believed parents, not the state, knew best. Why do you want nanny government encroaching into family lives?

This has nothing to do with parental rights. This is about what is age appropriate. The state is not banning it completely. Just delaying it until they are an adult.

Or do parental rights only matter when banning books and preventing the history of black people from being taught?

Book banning…I posted this before. Are you okay with this book being in schools?


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Show me in Florida where they are preventing the history of Black people?

This is just fear porn.

Some ideological consistency would be nice. Right now the right just goes with whatever excites their base the most right now. There’s no underlying ideological principles here.

Seems like consistency to me. Using age appropriate laws/rules to protect our youth.

 

[One Brow]

Of course they are. That is what makes them trans-women rather than women, and trans-men rather than men.

Just like swimmers don't run, jump high, or concentrate for hours at a time, so they're not athletes. You're just training cosplayers.

Except, gender is much more fundamental to a person that being on a swim team.

Transgenderism is often a sign of childhood trauma.

You have causation reversed. People like you are the cause of childhood trauma for trans people.

I believe parents of transgender kids are quick to jump on modern narratives of it being some unexplainable condition from Jesus or genetics or whatever because it serves to distract from the real cause:, the parenting.

Your beliefs are as reliable as a person who thinks you swim faster when vertical.

Studies have shown that 80%-98% of children with gender dysphoria will grow out of it by adulthood.[1]

You quoted a study of 25 people, chosen for the purpose of distinguishing between those who stay transgender and those who do not. In addition to the small size, it's not a representative nor random sample. Were you too ignorant to aware of the problems with this study as evidence for your position, or to dishonest to care?

 

[One Brow]

1 and not a daily interaction.

Have you asked them whether it would be smart until they wait to 18 before transitioning, and listened to the answer?

I said 18. In this country we consider this age as when youth become adults. So sorry Onebrow, it’s not an arbitrary age. Your argument does not make any sense to me.

If you see transitioning as some minor thing, equivalent to drinking/driving/voting/etc., then I'm not surprised.

If a teen is bipolar, do you support them taking medication, or should they just suffer until they are 18 (and cause suffering for everyone around them). How about severe depression? Schizophrenia? Chemotherapy is poison, maybe we should make kids with cancer wait until they are 18?

 

[Bucknutz]

Have you asked them whether it would be smart until they wait to 18 before transitioning, and listened to the answer?

Nope. This has not came up in any conversation.

If you see transitioning as some minor thing, equivalent to drinking/driving/voting/etc., then I'm not surprised.

You obviously didn’t get my point and skipped over the most grotesque example. I’ll make it worse. You think we should let a 48 year old man have sexual relations with a 11 year old because the age of consent is just arbitrary. Your argument was arbitrary age in your response. Now you changed it to medical.

If a teen is bipolar, do you support them taking medication, or should they just suffer until they are 18 (and cause suffering for everyone around them). How about severe depression? Schizophrenia? Chemotherapy is poison, maybe we should make kids with cancer wait until they are 18?

You think a 9 year old should be allowed to decide if they get chemically castrated? What about having a 4 year old choose to go on hormone therapy? What about a 12 year old accepting to use puberty blockers? These are children. If not for parents these kids would have no idea about any of these options. No 9 year old is asking for castration for Christmas because they saw it on a Toys R us catalog. (Half of 9 year olds still believe in Santa)
Again what is age appropriate? What way best protects kids?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You have causation reversed. People like you are the cause of childhood trauma for trans people.

Nope. If that were true then transgenderism would be most prevalent where people like me are most abundant. If it were a naturally occurring phenomenon then incidence of transgenderism would be roughly equal everywhere but that too is not what we see in the statistics.

There was an interesting comment several pages back by fishonjazz where he said that he didn't know a single transgender kid. Fishonjazz is a good and engaged father who is married to someone who is also engaged in raising their family. Circles of friends tend to be similar. Birds of a feather and all that. Good environments do not create trans kids. Bad and neglectful parents cause transgender kids. As incidence of broken family structures has risen, of course transgenderism has risen. As social media has pushed people to become more narcissistic, of course transgenderism has risen. Transgenderism is a flashing neon sign indicating childhood trauma and facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You think a 9 year old should be allowed to decide if they get chemically castrated?

Or an 8-year-old. A pediatric doctor was caught on tape admitting to prescribing that stuff to 8-year-olds. They also found a surgeon who admitted to performing gender surgeries on 15-year-olds.